Run One for CJ2K

This episode is dedicated to Chris Johnson (CJ2K), whose recent ALS diagnosis reminds us that some things are bigger than sports. We look back on one of the most electric players the NFL has ever seen, reflect on his legacy, and send our thoughts and prayers to him and his family. We also dive into the latest NBA trade movement and hit a few of the biggest stories around the sports world. CJ2K we're running this one for you.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Episode 28. Episode 28. The somber pod. It's gonna be a real sad pod. It's not gonna be sad. There's gonna be some very sad.

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The beginning's gonna be sad.

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That is true. Episode 28. We're gonna dedicate this one to Mr. CJ2K. The real 28.

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I I don't know about you, but like he was like a foundational piece of me loving football. Man. Real shit. He was like a player that I firmly remember in my childhood as like somebody that made me love the Titans.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Yeah, I mean mine was before that, probably. He was definitely like, you know.

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Like I watched the Titans before that, but I'm saying, like, as a player that like I remember when we drafted.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Oh yeah. He's for me, he's one of like the Titans. Like when I think of the Tennessee Titans, he's gonna be one of the first ones that come to my mind for sure.

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An absolute legend. Man. The shit that he did on the field was incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Bro, he was just like it was just crazy because he was like how fast he was, but he also was like powerful, bro. Like he would catch a ball, truck somebody, and then cut out on it.

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His vision was incredible. Elite. He had the head twitch and the back.

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Like he literally had the entire package. He could do it all. He was such a threat. One of the sickest. He was one of those guys that was really like, you know, that year that he had the 2,500 scrimmage yards. He kind of did that in a time before, like, running backs being heavily involved in the receiving game. Oh, 100 boys.

SPEAKER_02 1:41

It helped that he had Carrie Collins. Yeah. But he did that, you know. You would call Kerry Collins immobile. Can't move. Like literally, like his hips probably hurt.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

I think about Chris Johnson, and I think about like when he got hurt that year. I think that was the Carrie Collins year when we we started out with like 10, 11, and 0. Yeah, we were sick. And he got finished. I think that was the year when he got hurt in Baltimore. Yeah, I remember that. Man. I remember that. You know, anyways, you know, he was diagnosed today with ALS. And when I watched that shit, dog, like I really almost wanted to cry. I couldn't. I didn't even watch the whole thing. It hurt. I couldn't, I couldn't either, bro. Like for me, like it hit me, and I was done like watching it when like Stray Han turned to him. Man. And like he just sitting there and you can just see like it looks just like him. And then you just see his bodies become like how frail he's like. And then like you just hear his voice and you just see his face, like he can't like talk or anything. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

That shit's satisfying.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Man, that shit, like for anybody. 39 years old. He's so young. 39 years old.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

Bro, he's so young.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

Man. It's just crazy to think like how long. It wasn't long ago. Like he was like in the NFL, torching people. Like you go from in what was it, maybe 10 years?

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That one hurts, bro.

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Man, sad. It's so sad.

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That one stings.

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It's one of those ones that stings. Yeah, because there's nothing you can do about it.

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Like a childhood icon. Man. Especially for me. Like, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

The impact that he had on the on the like those teams was it really shows how nice that he was because like the Titans were pretty good for the duration of him being there. I mean, we weren't necessarily great, but like we were pretty good for the majority of the time he was there.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

And we didn't have no receivers. His 2,000 yard season, he went. That was we went like 8-8, didn't we?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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I think so.

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He wasn't even on a seven. He wasn't even on like a great team and ran for 2K. That's impressive.

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And like he was a big part of the reason why they made it that far. I swear.

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I swear. Bad teams, the bad teams pass the ball a lot more because they're bad. They have to throw the ball a lot more.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

He was the outlier. Yeah, man. So sad, man. Prayers up for CJ and his family.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Yeah, for sure. We love you. Absolutely. He's a legend. Man. Why did they get over?

SPEAKER_00 4:23

He's probably, in my opinion, honestly, like one of the more underrated running backs. Absolutely. Like he didn't have the longevity of it, but like he like immediately came in and was like an elite level player for. Do you remember when we drafted him? Everybody was like, who the who? Yeah, you just see this guy out of Eastern Carolina, like nobody ever heard from. You're like, oh my god, you drafted a running back in the first round. We drafted him because he was fast. And then he just comes out and immediately is like killing. He was the sickest. It was what, his second year in the league was when he went for 2K, or was it his third? I'm not sure. It was one of like I'd have to look it up. I think it was year. I feel like it was year two. It was either year two or year three, but yeah, man, incredible, bro. Such a dynamic player. Like, I think about it now with this, we can talk about what would he be in today's NFL? Sick. Oh my god. He'd be so sick. He'd be Jameer Gibbs. And then some. He got to tote that rock, though. He played at the perfect time for him. Yeah, but I'm saying he I mean, the NFL's going back to running the football. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Slowly. I think part of it is like I feel like quarterback play isn't as great as it once was. I don't think so either. Like I feel like there was a like there's like 15 guys.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

It's like 15 years old. There was a period of time where there was such high level on it both sides.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Right. And I'm not saying like superstar high level or anything, but I'm like competent quarterback.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Yeah, it kind of falls off. Like I don't think the gap, like there was a conversation for so long, like, even with Tom Brady. Like, you never walked into it, and we call him the GOAT, and it's because of his winning, but we never was like, man, for 20 years, hit we we think of him as the best. Like Yeah, Paid Man and Aaron Rodgers.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

There was a lot of superstar QBs back in that day, too. Man.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Like dreaming, I mean you had like the you had the people that were like aging. Yeah. And then like I think the difference is is like there's not as many like young, like these quarterbacks aren't like as good they don't come in as come in like how they used to be in a sense.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Well, I mean they also I feel like they played longer in college.

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Yeah.

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They weren't coming in as young. There are more projects. They weren't drafting the Anthony Richardsons of the world at five. Facts. Or four, whatever it was. Facts. You know what I mean? Like that was just a bet on upside. Yeah, a lot of those guys like had it. Right. When did it change? That's a good question. Like, when was like the downtick and like QB play? Man.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

I mean, I just really feel like part of it is though, is we got maybe we were just getting spoiled. Here's like we had like a super elite, like the top fives and six, seven quarterbacks were super elite. Like you gotta think we had Peyton, Tom. You still had the Brett Favre, like part of that time. Then you had Drew Brees, Big Ben. Yeah, right. Eli. I mean, Eli got those Super Bowls, but he was never like a you never looked at people like him and Phillip Rivers as like Yeah, but they were still nice.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

Like you said, like they were nice. Yeah. Like they were, they were like you would take them on your team.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

I mean, even then Tony Romo's Matt Hasselbacks, like Yeah, right. You remember John Kittenna? I feel like if you drop them in the NFL, they're gonna be better than what they were, like, in the era that they were. Like those are some of those are almost afterthoughts.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

You remember uh John Kittner? He was weak as fuck. City wasn't horrible. He was weak. He was a competent quarterback.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

I talk about quarterbacks like that, nah, because I'm I mean Jeff Garcia is cool. He was a dog. Yeah, but I'm thinking when I think about Jake Delone, solid. You know, you had old Jay Cuddy. The Cuddy? Yeah, Jake Plummer. Jake the flip plumber when he flipped off the camera. Shout out to him.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

I'm trying to, I'm I'm trying to dig. Carson Palmer. Yeah, I'm trying to dig in my dog. He was a dog. Man. He was a dog. I'm trying to dig in my bag.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Oh bro, you can really go get in your bag and think of it.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

Solid. He was solid. Man. He was Chad Pennington? Dog. Dog. He was a dog. Like there was a bunch of competent quarterback play. I feel like I feel like it was like a high. A whole lot of it. Yeah. Like they were all decent. Nothing.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

I mean, you had some very pissed poor people too, but it I just like I don't know. I don't know how the way to describe it.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Like, I don't think Bryce Young back in that day. But I don't know. Like I shouldn't pick on Bryce Young.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

Yeah, right. Doesn't cut it. I mean, you take that chance, you know, I don't know. The game has changed.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

But you know, I feel like also part of those two team things, too, is in like in those age, like I feel like you had more time to like grow. Like, think about it. Like you get a new regime, year one, your team's gonna be sucking because uh we took we just had a new regime change. Terrible team, we gotta get a quarterback. Then you get the quarterback, you know. There is no more you we're gonna give you three or four years of being bad as you're building this. Right. Or or then we're you're out of here, the quarterback's gone, the coach is gone, the GM's gone, like there's no like continuity. Yeah. Like ever. You don't see coaches getting like the tenure that they got. Like, imagine, think about I mean, I guess some of it is a little bit of a crossover, but think about how long of a hook Jason Garrett got in Dallas.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

You're not getting that. You're not getting that into today.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

That's a good point. He did. He got a long ass leash in Dallas.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Or or even uh Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Yeah, he was there for the city.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Jeff Fisher. Tennessee. Like, think about how much leeway in you.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Yeah, like if you have like two bad seasons back to back, it's over. Right. You can go pack your bag.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

If you're a bad team and you come in and you get hired, and then you're bad for two years, bro. If the Jets are bad, Aaron Glenn's out of here. He's out. And then what'll happen is some coach will come in and everything that like the they were building starts to come to fruition in a way. Right. And then now it's like, oh my gosh, what a great coach.

SPEAKER_02 10:57

Yeah, it's weird. Well, it'll just be some they all come from the same place now. Every coach is coming from.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

A certain tree.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Too much nepotism. It's all from one area. It's crazy. Because I get it. I saw a picture of Sean McVay, no homo, pause the other day with a shirt off, the dude's jacked.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

The dude's fucking rip, dog. Have you seen this photo? No, I'm not exactly looking for Sean's.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

I happened to see it. His wife's wife's bad.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

His wife's bad too. I would assume. In the NFL. Yeah, he's just a guy. Yeah, I mean, Sean McVeigh's a one would say a handsome man. I didn't say that. I just said he was rich. You said he you said he you talk about how good he looked with his shirt off. I was just saying he was jacked. I mean, you seen Sean McVeigh? I mean, that's kind of the same thing. Yeah, I said pause. Well, pause.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

He's a handsome boss. There you go. I'm just saying, like, coming from that tree, like they're probably all dogs, like he is. Yeah, but but not all of them. You gotta be a dog to get the phys the physique. The physique. How the fuck you say it? Physique. There we go. That's the what I'm looking for. Yeah. You gotta be a dog to get what he got. Yeah, but not everybody comes that comes from that tree succeeds. That's true. But I'm willing to take my bet. Like I would like if you had to.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

I mean, if I'm gonna hire somebody, I'm gonna want to hire somebody that's under Sean McBay. Yeah, right. But part of me is gonna be a little hesitant about that because it's just like I the man that is there making this shit happen is Sean McBay.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Because think about it, like to in today's era, the way that things work now, so it's we've established it's you know, if you're bad two, three years in a row, like you're out. Happens everywhere in the NFL. Nobody gets lead way anymore. Mike Vrabel took us to an AFC championship, had two bad years, he was out. Ma'am. So and none of it was his fault. And so, like it it can happen to anybody, right? Yeah, like it can I mean Bill Belichick. Except maybe Kyle Shanahan, maybe Sean McVeigh. They probably like those are probably the two coaches that get the leeway, but those are also where all the coaches are coming from. They all come from those two trees. Yeah. But Sean McVeigh came from the Kyle Shanahan tree, so it's really all one tree. Well, and well, they kind of came up together, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Yeah, with Mike McDaniel. I mean, think about how many people that came up and that are in the league involved and shit that were up under Andy Reid at some point.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Right. Have you ever seen that photo of that Redskins coaching staff?

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Oh my god. Incredible. That like that, you look at that and you're like, that's the greatest coaching staff of all. How did this team feel? How are they not the same? And then you're like, oh shit, it's the odor. Maybe. But I mean, seriously, though. I mean, McVe they had McVay, Mike McDaniel, Kyle Shanahan, Matt LaFleur.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

Man, like that's enough right there. They were loaded to the gills.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

I'm pretty sure there was more. Like, it goes be way beyond that. I can't think of it off the top of my head, but like that's incredible. You had that on one staff.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

Yeah, that's just three.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

And they're each incredible in their own ways. Like, yeah. Except Mike McDaniel, yeah. You don't like Mike McDaniel? I mean, I like Mike McDaniel as an offensive mind, but like I didn't like him as a head coach. He's a little soft. He can be a head coach. I don't, I mean, I know. I I don't think so. I think he will get another shooting. You know, you know, I look at Mike, Mike McDaniel. You only tell you what who he needs to be. He needs to be my boy that was like cheating with Michigan. You know what I'm saying? Like, here's the sign. Like, he's just analyzing the shit, and he's like, hey, when they do this, this is what it is. Right. Right. But he's like, he's doing that, but he's just like uh sitting here drawing up plays. I can go ahead and tell you that.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

I can go ahead and tell you his next team he's gonna be the head coach of. Who? It's the New York Jets. I mean, yeah. It's the only logical answer. Maybe the Browns. Nah. Todd Monkin's probably got a year.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

That yeah, that's gonna be like a that we wanted to put somebody in place that was gonna be bad while we go and make all these moves to get the foundation where we want. So when we go hire the guy, we've got the we can let him build his vision. We'll just bring Todd Monk back as the offensive coordinator. I wouldn't want to go be. Like, imagine wanting to go be like the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. I mean, he'll get a he gets a paycheck for a year or two.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

A fat one.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Yeah, but it's just like you go to a bad organization and you can't.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

John Harbaugh's gonna always keep the OC position.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Bro, like, but think about how highly people think of like Brian Flores, and he can't get back to being a head coach.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

That's crazy. He really probably shouldn't have been fired from the Dolphins.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Right. Yeah, bro, they fired him. Like there is an argument to be made that he's and you look, and part of the thing is is they fired him because they wanted fucking Tua. And Mike McDaniel. Well, I mean, they got rid of him because Flores didn't fuck with Tua. I mean, they wanted McDaniel too, but like part of it was they was like, this is our guy, you don't fuck with him. So like we got to do it. Turns out Brian Flores was right. Right. And he gets to now just spend his life in hell with having a great defense and quarterback carousel. Yeah, it's tough.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

I uh Ja Moran got traded today. Man. That hurt. It's pretty sad. I've had a rough day.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Somber news for Jones. I've had a rough day. You love Jaw.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Dude, it's funny because like I I like the other day we I told you how like I'm a Grizzlies fan first. Yeah. And then I was like, you know, like if Jaw goes, like I'm not, it's not like it's gonna hurt or anything. It hurt. I lied.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Which I got back was pretty crap. My man, you said Gary, like Jeremy Grant is a okay player, bro. We're talking about somebody who's been in the league like 12, 13 years now.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Hey man, I don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

Okay. You don't have anything to build upon. I don't want to hear it. He got screwed by the by the tanking.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

They were they were literally talking about the Grizzlies having to send a first two get trade to Jaw off the roster.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

I'd rather, but but what's so crazy to me is at that point, like before I just do something, like I would rather have Ja Morant than have to trade a first round pick with Ja Morant to be able to trade for Jeremy Grant with John.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

I think it's well look, first off, the relationship was obviously it was done. Right. Like he hated the GM, he hated the like he's hated Thomas a Solo or a Saka. Ja Morant hates the NBA. Hey man, whenever you need a play, call 12. Call 12, man. He also just didn't but that the relationship was it was gone. So like it was like we gotta get him out of. He's gonna be a fucking cancer to the locker room. Yeah, for sure. So you gotta get him out of here.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

Fuck, I'm gonna try to trade him.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Jeremy Grant's probably you know, they're probably just gonna buy him out of the room.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

I'd have rather traded him for Zion Williamson. Nah, you know he'd go crazy at the at the all that food down in Memphis.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

Oh man, the barbecue be fat as hell. Man. Zero self-control.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

He was getting big off that, off like shrimp and rice.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

Why are you being semi-healthy?

SPEAKER_00 18:27

It doesn't tell him what you're gonna be doing, but it's like let me get two racks of ribs.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Man, some mud some type of fried food. And some mud. Man. Like he'd be a house. From moving Zion to center. He's gonna be a full-time center. He's six, six, eight, six, seven. He's 324 pounds.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Hey, it feels like he was about that at some point. He can jump out of the gym, though. But as a Memphis fan, we can talk a little basketball for a minute. This is kind of big news for you. As a Memphis Grizzlies fan, like how does that make you feel like moving forward? Like from the Yeah, but I feel like it's off to a terrible start.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

I like, you know, Cam Boozer's not a bad start. Yeah, but that's all you got. Cedric Coward's nice. I don't I don't know. You probably you don't you haven't watched the Grizzlies as closely as I have, but Jalen Wells, Cedric Coward, you got some pieces to build up.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

Those are good players, control players. That's those aren't building, like those aren't people that you want to be coming in depending on.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Yeah, well, you you say that, but I'm like, I'm telling you, like the Grizzlies have been absolutely incredible drafting players. The la I mean, probably the last six years, seven years. It goes beyond that. Like, it's just you know, our GM's not bad.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Like, I just think you know, you're gonna end up where you're gonna hit a ceiling like the Bulls, where you're just oh man, we got some solid pieces, and these people are good. They're good okay, and it's like for seven years you made the play-in.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

Don't compare us to the Bulls.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Bro, I mean, what what are you what are you saying? You're telling me that these players are going to develop into something, like you're gonna need a piece. You got screwed on your draft pick next year. Uh yeah, but we still have ours. Camboozer. You I mean, I guess we would we can hype up Cam Boozer now, but I'm not gonna let you forget how you felt about Cam Boozer. And I can't let you shift how you are projecting him now that he's a Grizzly. Well, look, I'm gonna be a fan first. Yeah, that's fair. I'm not an expert. But you can't come in here and be like, oh, I mean, we got Cam Boozer. That's a franchise cornerstone when you were like, hey, bro, I don't want Cam Boozer. I've read a lot of propaganda the last couple days.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

Got some buy-in. I got some I got some good bias. He's biased. He's man, they're like, hey, he's the best two-way player in the draft. I've read I've read shit as crazy as he is the best player in the draft.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Yeah. Look, it I will say for me, from a totality perspective of it, when I look at though the people who you called the best, like someone said that there's three number one picks in this class. And I agree with that. I hope that's true. I agree with that. But when you look at the player, like I feel like he was probably the best overall player out of those three in college for sure. Let me say this.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

He did it all. He did. Well, look, and here's the thing. He's not gonna be he a lot of it was bully ball, though, man. Like, he's not gonna play bully ball in the league. His dad was a dog.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

His dad was a dog, his dad was tough. His dad was a dog. He's got that build, but like he's also got the game. Like, man, it just feels like he's gonna be one of those power forwards that like you can go and run like your offense through.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

He's gotta put on a lot of weight. I shouldn't say a lot of weight. He needs to put on like ten, fifteen pounds of muscle.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

Yeah, I mean, I just think the thing that helps him uh he's got a high floor because his game isn't bad and and he like how do you feel about summer league?

SPEAKER_02 21:52

You like summer league?

SPEAKER_00 21:53

I mean, I look at it the same way I look at preseason football.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Uh uh I don't know. I don't know if you it should probably be taken a little bit more serious than that.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

I uh I only say that because these people like bring in like people Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

But I'm saying like you do get all the top picks playing against each other, and you also get some second-year players that have like Carter Bryant's probably gonna be in the summer league this year. Like there's gonna be a bunch of second-year guys that you know are gonna be good or good role players, or you know, like a good six-man, or maybe a rotational piece. Like those players are gonna be in the summer league too, so you do get some like real comp.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

And so, you know, like you get to judge like every like dude, every player that's ever played in the summer league.

SPEAKER_00 22:41

I'm not gonna put stock into like what these people are gonna be in the NBA, though. I mean, you should take it off of summer league. You should take like the top players. Like, I expect Cam Boozer to go to the summer league and fucking kill.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

Yeah. I mean, any like all your top, all your top prospects that get drafted, if they go to like if they go to summer league and they go crazy, like it's normally a good sign.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Yeah, I just I think the thing the difference is, like, obviously the difference is is like it's not like in the preseason where you're just taking all of your the starters are benched and we're just playing, you know, our rookies all season, like all game and shit like that. So it's different. Like at least like they're gonna be playing, but sometimes they might come out and hoop for a couple of games and then get set down for the rest of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Especially if they're going crazy.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Yeah. Like I would rather eat and then you're like, alright, I'm good. We've seen enough. You look good.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Like, I would rather have Cam Boozer than Darren Peterson.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

It's safer.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

It's safer.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

You got some volatility with Darren Peterson.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Yeah, like he could be the sickest, or he can be out of the.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

You don't feel like he's gonna have like he's not gonna be a guy that becomes like good, but like didn't live up to his potential. Like you feel like he's either gonna be like a complete bust or like he's gonna be a superstar. Yeah. Like it doesn't feel it, yeah. It's weird that it feels that way.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

Do you know what the craziest thing is though? Is I actually feel better about him being a superstar than I do about him being a bust. Yeah, you just gotta. But I think his bust fat, like him pause. I think like him It's on the board. Yeah, well, I think it's like higher than most, though. Like, if I had to like put a percentage on it, like I would say AJ DeBonsta would have what like a 30% chance of not being great.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Yeah, but I think he has a lot of things. I don't think that there's a world where DeBanza comes in and he's like not like he might not be what uh like a superstar or great, but like he could be somebody that could be like an all-star caliber piece, like a like a Carl Anthony Township.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

21, 22 points a game, six, seven rebounds.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Isn't gonna be the guy that leads you to a ship, but like you want a guy like that on your team to be a key card.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

Could be a key cog to the rotation. I yeah, right. I think it works though. Like, I think Garrett Peterson has like a 45% chance of not being great.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

I think my part of it with the Peterson, the thing that concerns me a little bit is like I feel like I feel like we feel that way, one, because of like the injury shit and the shit in Kansas and everything like that, but it's also like for me, uh it get like feels like some entitlement. He gave he just gave me some dirtbag vibes. He feels like he's gonna come in and just expect, like, I'm the sickest in the league already. Like, give me the ball. I'm sure this is my team. Like And this is the problem, because he is sick. He's sick, he's so sick. You look at his game and it's like There's not a place on the court he can. And he's got that dog in him. Yes. Like, we've seen him multiple times put that Kansas team on his back, walking down 10, 15 points, going crazy off the back of him, pulling from deep. He was sick he was hooping though. Even the game against St. John's, he walked them people down. He's sick, dog. And one and one thing too, he he he's gonna shoot some crazy shit. Yeah. And hit that shit. I like the confidence, like you just watch his game and it's so smooth.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

So he came out and said that he was a Kobe guy, so he wants to be great both sides of the ball. Potential.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

I mean, he's big guard.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

I don't see him.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

He's gonna have the size, it's just gonna be, you know, I feel like being elite on the nobody, I feel like it's hard to you're not really gonna find a two-way superstar almost an moral. Like, I feel like Wimby's only a defensive superstar because he's 7'5 and got a crazy wingspan and can move. He's quick. Like, if he was 6'8 and could move, we wouldn't be like, oh man, this guy's gonna be the best offensive and defensive player in the league.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

If Wimby was 6'8, he wouldn't even be top five. Yeah, nah. He'd be just another guy from Freddy. Yeah, he'd be, yeah. He'd be Nicholas. He'd be Nicholas Batum.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Fourth quarter yellow. Why the fuck is he? Kevin Fournier, just taller. Man, yeah. So, I mean, granted, you know, because he's 7'5, we can't say this shit, but like he's the sickest in the league. But it's like you don't see like two-way superstar. Like, you don't see a guy who can go be the best offensive player on the court and the best defensive player court that a normal human size.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

I was talking, I was talking to AJ the other day, and I was like, man, you know what you don't see anymore in the league? You don't see the Tony Allen. Remember Tony Allen? Yeah. So you know the Grizzlies retired his number, right? Dog, yeah. To me, as a Grizzlies fan, especially those days, like, well deserved. It is a well he did nothing offensively.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

Nothing. He was not somebody that's just in the league. Because now you if you're if you can't, if you play D, if you're a great defender, you still gotta shoot.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Tony Allen's not getting in the league. He wouldn't even be on a roster. Unless his defense is just that great. But Tony Allen used to lock people up.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Bro, he was there for one reason and one reason only. And it was to be chaos.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

There was just an era, like the problem with it is as you look at the game, part of the thing that I hate the most that's changed about the NBA is the fact that like there was a time when the superstars played the. Right.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Yeah, there was.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Like Kobe, for example. Even early in LeBron's career, like these were high-level offensive players and elite defenders. You go look at the paint.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Well, when you say the switch, what, 12?

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Yeah, with the emergence of Steph and all them. It was when you gotta shoot.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

I don't want to say like Steph absolutely changed the game. But I don't want to say it was in a worse way because he's just so great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

The problem with it is it, you know, the game shouldn't have been like we're gonna try to make you Steph Curry, and everybody's gonna be shooting. Like Steph Curry is just like an anomaly. Right. Like he's just that. It's just like LeBron is like now you don't see people like LeBron's an anomaly. You don't see people 6'8, the fastest person on the court, jumping the highest, plays great defense, like the smartest person on the court can pass the ball. Like it's just not a thing. Yeah, no, it's that's the reason why you didn't see people coming out here trying to be LeBron because he couldn't.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Yeah, you were just like nobody else could do that.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Yeah, you're just like a dude's a freak with nobody, even the people, even the other people were like, oh man, these people got a clip. They're like Steph. Like these people are nowhere close to like the the best shooters outside of Steph aren't close to.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Yeah, you don't ever hear somebody say to a for a great shooter, like, man, he reminds me a lot of Steph Curry.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

No, because Steph's doing like it's incredible how he does it.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

And not only that, Steph does it because he moves, he's elite off the ball, and he can also play point guard. Like he's killing you every which way. These other shooters are just like compare them to Clay. They just can shoot when somebody gives them the ball. My man definitely scored what 60 with 11 dribbles. Yeah, like Khan Knipple. People like people are looking at Khan Kanipple like he's a building block. Like he's not gonna be the come on, you want to argue this, bro? Hold up. You don't fuck with Khan. No, I'm that's not what I'm saying. You don't You Bill, would you rather these people try to look over? Who's calling Khan Knipple a point guard? I'm not calling him a point guard. I'm just saying I'm talking about the level of shooting, like the shooter, like the shooting aspect of it.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

Yeah, well, look, uh part of it's gonna be inflated because that that Charlotte team shot us in the middle.

SPEAKER_00 30:49

I mean, even Dame, like Dame's an elite shooter, too. Yeah, he's not Stephanie.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

It's different than Steph. Yeah, 100%. Even though that three in that game seven against the the Thunder. That was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

Still, still to this day, a terrible shot. He had no reason to pull it and he did it because he didn't give a fuck. It was, and I'm so mad that that shot made, because you know, bro, that was when like I'm talking shit about my boy Westbrook.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Yeah, well, I mean, look, that was that was supposed to be He got Joe. That was supposed to be one of the years.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

He got, yeah, and he got joked. He got damaged. And it's because, no, he he got he got they they never gave him the right team that they needed around him. Well, he couldn't. They should have built that team the way the magic built around Dwight Howard, where like you are the you are the only person anywhere near the paint. Everybody else clipped, everybody else shoots. We don't need a Paul George, we need Pagus Toyakovich and Mahidoo Turgaloo type of guys.

SPEAKER_02 31:45

Rashar Lewis. Bro, that will forever go down as one of the worst trades in NBA history. What? That OKC clippers trade.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Oh, the for Pete Paul George. Yeah. Terrible. I mean, it was enough, it was too they gave up too much at the time, even then. Yeah. It makes it worse with what Shea came and everything else they got out of it. But like it's it's disrespect it's really funny as fuck that you're like, bro, somebody wanted to trade that much for Paul George.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

I guess he was still, I guess he would still be considered in his prime at the time.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

I don't care. But when do you look at Paul George and say, man, it's worth like a couple good players in like four or five draft picks?

SPEAKER_02 32:29

You would have probably said it that that year that they almost beat. I wouldn't have done that.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

No, bro. Not no. Absolutely not. That they were sick as fuck. Absolutely not, bro.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Born ready. He blew it.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

That's a trade you make when you go try to go get a motherfucker like LeBron.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Kawhi.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

That's a no. That's a trade that you make if like you give up a package like that, if like a 26, set, 27-year-old Giannis is like, I'm demanding a trade. Then you trade five, six draft picks. Like, I'm not trading that for But he didn't even have to give that. Paul George wasn't is was what? At best, Paul George is the what best player in the league. Now, fucking nothing. I mean, I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about at that point in time, Paul George was the what best player in the game.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

I'd have to go back and look. There was a bunch of studs back then.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

Even at my point, if you say he's the 10th best player in the league at that point in time. I mean, he was probably around there. Let's call him the 10th best player in the league around that time. And at that time when that trade was made, the 10th best player on your team isn't winning you a championship. You're giving up that for someone at no point in time should Paul George have been a team that somebody's like, man, we're a Paul George away from a championship.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:41

And you're giving up that much. To your point earlier, though, I mean he was one of the few players.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Like he was one of the few players that played great defense. And offense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

But even then, part of that was.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

He was like, you know what? To be honest with you, like he was like kind of one of the last.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

Yeah. But compare him, compare him to the other person that we're gonna say is gonna be in the same level of talent, Kawhi Leonard. Think about the difference in impact of Kawhi Leonard at his peaks when he was doing the shit that he was doing and Paul George. I would have traded, I would have traded five first round picks for Pete Kawhi Leonard with SGA, and I would have been cool with it.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

Yeah, but Kawhi's been a fucking dirtbag his whole NBA career.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

He absolutely has. But absolute dirtbag. If we just took a 80, if we had Kawhi playing 70 games a year, you know what the crazy is we're talking about one of the greatest of all time, bro.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Yeah. Pete Kawhi was like that shit he did with the Raptors is on the level of with Jalen Brunson.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

Bro, we thought that he was about to have like a Jordan-esque, like Yeah. You thought the whole thing. It was like you get Kawhi, you're le you're you're witted.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

Bro, people were saying Kawhi was better than Braun. Yeah, bruh. I mean, at that point, bro, Kawhi was sick. He was the claw, man. And then he really kicked in low management. He stopped giving a fuck. He gave to LA, he said, I don't really I got a ring in Toronto.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Man, he said, I don't really like playing basketball anymore. He's like, I've never really liked playing basketball. I was just good at it. Man, and they're talking about him being traded to back to the Raptors. If he goes, Somebody told me that Drake track came out, said, Yeah, I need to go win another ring. I'm going back to the six.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

I the problem, I saw somebody say that they would be like the second best team in the East if they got it. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

That's crazy. Because my thing is what they would have to give up, what do you have to give up for that? Probably at least Scotty Barnes. That's 30, uh, 37 years. He's a 37.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

He's 35. 35. I'm not giving up Scotty Baines.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

I'm not trading, I'm not trading for a 35-year-old NBA player. I wouldn't trade for a 35-year-old Braun. I would trade.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

If it was worth it, like if you made it worth it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

But at that time, you knew Braun was nowhere close to being like with Braun at 35 was still arguably the best player in the league. And was that is different. I mean, still average like 20 and 8 last year. Who Braun? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But like I said, I'm saying at 35, Braun. Like, I'm not trading Kawhi Leonard not playing until he's 40. I wouldn't have been surprised if you would have told me Kawhi's retiring tomorrow, next year.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

Kawhi's the type to get traded to the Raptors, then retire.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

I'm not expecting a why why would I expect Kawhi Leonard to be playing two or three more years in the NBA when he's been hurt for 10? I don't even know if he's been hurt. Has he been actually hurt? He's just been staying, he's actually been staying fresh. He's gonna put it back to the basketball. I'm not convinced.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Like he hates basketball. Why would he?

SPEAKER_00 36:48

I mean, he's just good at it, so he got to come collect the back. He literally hates the game. He shows up just enough to get paid, and he's like, all right.

SPEAKER_02 36:55

Nobody acts the way he acts and loves what they do. That's like a that's the look of a broken man. It's like a guy that's gonna- I hate that I was good at dude. It's like a guy that's gonna clock into his nine to five every day. He hates his job more than I do. Yeah, he's he's getting compensated way better. Man. He's like, I hate basketball so much I can't even laugh. Do you still think the wizards are gonna be good? You saw AD's about to get traded to the Wizards.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Okay, him and Braun are going to the Warriors. That's true. No, that would change it. I mean, granted, my only thing about the Warriors being good was them be everybody being the Wizards being good, was AD being healthy. Yeah. Because if AD was healthy with Trey Young and them adding DeBanza, and you still got Alex Sarr and like the what like a decent little roster. They still got Balon, what what's his name? Balaw, Kubilah, whatever, that other Frenchman. He's trash. You know, maybe playing. They got a what's my they got one dude that'd be, I can't think of his name off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

He'd be hooping. Yeah, they they got a couple guys that are decent.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

They got my boy Bub Carrington.

SPEAKER_02 37:58

I'm gonna be honest with you, brother. I hate Trey Young.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

They could make some noise. I don't like Trey Young either. I think he doesn't have reliability. I hate the fact that they made it to that conference finals because that's the only thing people are gonna be able to say. I was like, he doesn't contribute to winning, he's not a winning style player. You know who else isn't? Who? Lamelo ball.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

I like LaMelo. I know you do. I like LaMelo a lot. But do you think you think that the Minnesota's better? No. I mean, you're getting rid of Julius Randle's addition by subtraction.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

Yeah, and then you add LaMelo Ball. Look, as long as him and Jordan Addison like aren't hanging out, we got a chance. They're gonna have to be drive right drag racing on through downtown at four.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

The highways of Minnesota are gonna be terrified. It's gonna be a lot of street racing.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

Hey, they're gonna be out there. I bet I can go faster than you should.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

This shit say La Flair on it.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

Look, I will say this that back. That they're gonna be. I think it's gonna be a lot of fun to watch. I don't think it's gonna work. Here's what it does: it it stops, you can't double team Ant anymore.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

Yeah, facts.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

So they shouldn't have traded Kat. Pick your poison. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

They shouldn't have traded Kat for Drew Randall.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

Buddy, you want to talk about looking back on it now. They should have kept Kat and traded Gobert. It's a fleece, yes.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

What is always the move because and that's gonna be their problem, is is Rudy Gobert. Nobody wants it. And it's crazy because he's elite defensively. Yeah, but he's but it's just like you can't he's the opposite of Trey Young.

SPEAKER_02 39:38

He's a liability on offense.

SPEAKER_00 39:40

And I think what it does to Ant's game, like I feel like Ant can't get attack the rim as much. Because he can't go nowhere, can't space the floor. It'll help the fact that you know you're not gonna have fucking Drew Randall either like post it up on the block or sit in corner. Like you're gonna be able to have LaMelo ball.

SPEAKER_02 39:55

The thing that does help with LaMelo, one, he can't get double teamed anymore. That's great. Pick your poison. Two, like Rudy Gobert should be more utilized pick and roll-wise with LaMelo. Lamelo's a great passer.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

I just think it's one of those moves that doesn't take you like I don't think I don't like the pairing of them two leading. I don't think that's a pair that like leads you to the real problem with Lamelo is he plays zero defense.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

Yeah. It's non-existent.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

And I would and it's plays D, and it's a dog on D. He at least, even if he's not great defensively, he at least like wants to play.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

The thing that pisses you off about LaMelo is he's 6'7.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

Bro, and is yeah, it could be defensively at point guard, you could be good defensively. You should be locking people up. I just don't like the shot selection. Oh, I love it. Pull that motherfucker from heads. Yeah, I just don't I don't love it. It's nice. Like it's it's good to see on TV. It's good to see the highlight, but when the highlight comes within the horse and with and whoever loses by 15, look at this shot Lamelo did.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

It's when he goes one for you know one for seven for three. He's four for twenty-two from three. He's gonna do that. He's gonna do that a lot. Those games, though.

SPEAKER_00 41:13

He's got a little J.R. Smith in them.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

Man. Hey, if you look at J.R. Smith's highlight tape, though, you would be like he's a top five player in the league. Same thing with LaMelo. Yeah, true. That's true too. Lamelo's better than J.R. Smith was. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

Yeah, that's not the that's not a thing, but I'm saying I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

So you don't think it works? They probably may make the playoffs, though. They're decent. They have a decent roster. Jaden McDaniels is nice.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

I mean, I just feel like we're about to see. I'm well, I guess you can't really say that. Which, you know, I will say this. I'm really mad that San Antonio beat OKC. Fuck Chet Holmgren. Like, Chet Holmgren robbed me from like the having to see tell people tell me that fucking Jalen Brunson's better than Kyrie Irvin. Hey, man. First off, stop hating on Jalen Brunson. Even if he's better than him today, his career's still not better. He's the king of New York. Like, yeah, okay. They're gonna build a statue. Bro, Kyrie Irvin won in Cleveland. Okay, he had Braun.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

He had Braun. He did hit the shot. He did hit the shot. I mean, kind of want it. I wouldn't say that Jalen Brunson's better than Kyrie. You just have said it.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

I didn't say it. He was the one that I was like, I won't say that. I mean, even I'm still not saying that because he won a ring, that he's his career's better than Allen Iverson. Like, when you think about his peak, his player. It's not a better basketball player than Alan Iverson.

SPEAKER_02 42:41

Yeah, like I probably wouldn't say what AI.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

Jalen Brunson wasn't taking that 76ers team to the chip. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 42:47

But that roster's the only reason. That's the only reason. It's because AI did it to the 30 ball.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

He was a 30 ball for bro. He was the sickest. They literally banned a move because Grizzly. Man, you should have a little more respect on him.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

I love AI. The answer. Man, the question. The shoe, you remember the shoes? The answer. Weren't they the questions? They were the answers.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

He was the answer. I swore they were the questions. No, they were the answers. Bro, why would that why would why would his nickname be the answer and then the shoes be the questions?

SPEAKER_02 43:26

I guess that doesn't make a ton of sense. One more, we got one more thing that we could cover NBA-wise. If you're wondering why we talked NBA today, it's because ain't shit happening. Oh, here you go. Here's some here's a little splash of NFL news before we discuss the last NBA thing. Terry and Arnold, he's released. No longer an NFL player.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

I think that's a strong indication he's gonna be guilty.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

Man, yeah, they cut ties quick.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

They usually, yeah, I mean, you usually that doesn't happen. I mean, they've let James Pierce Jr. like chill on the roster. Yeah, no disappointment.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

Can't wait till he's back at training camp.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Terry and Arnold post bail, and they're like, You're out of here.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

It seems like the Patriots will probably be calling Terry and Arnold up.

SPEAKER_00 44:12

We like a criminal. They wouldn't have cut Aaron Hernandez if it wasn't murder. If he didn't go to jail. Like if he were forced. Yeah, I mean, they arrested him. No bail. Like, I'd be come on, Dell.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

Rest in peace. No, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_00 44:27

He was a dirtbag.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

He was the ultimate.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

There are some people that think that he didn't do it. I'm still not 100% sure. He either definitely did both of them or he didn't do either. Oh, he he did it. You think he did both? Yeah. Fuck yeah, dude. He was a fucking men. He was a menace, bro. He was a menace. People when he would tell people he'd be able to do it. Bro, there's so many.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Yeah, bro, there's so many stories of people being like, yeah, I was terrified playing him. They're like, he seemed like he was.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

He is who Ja Morant wanted to be. Ja Morant saw the air and her dad that shit play out in real time and was like, It's like, I'm gonna model my game after him.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

I'm gonna be sick as fuck. Here you go. Uh Giannis got traded to the Heat. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_00 45:09

Is that I mean he went he went from Milwaukee to South Milwaukee.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

Yeah, it does seem to be a little bit of the same situation.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

I've kind of got a hot take. Alright. There is an argument that the Milwaukee Bucks of next year will be better than the Miami Heat.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Yeah, maybe. If you can get Tyler Hero to play more than 40 games. Giannis been hurt. Yeah, no, I I don't hate Tyler Hero.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

I mean they got some I mean you just love talked about all these role players that you loved on the Grizzlies. You're telling me that you like those role players more than you like fucking games. Solid. Solid role player. You got you got uh Miles Turner, it's a high-level big man. I'm out on Miles Turner. You don't like Miles Turner? Some people like him, he's good enough. Yeah. I wouldn't I don't think BAM's like fucking Knight and like I think Cam Boozer would have a day with with Miles Turner on him.

SPEAKER_02 46:13

That's fair. That's where I think that's where I think Miles Turner is. Yeah, there's some, you know, Ryan Rollins. Yeah, look, they should be okay. They'll be a decent team if Tyler Hero is healthy.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

I mean, I I just think I don't think that uh I don't think Miami, any Miami Heat fan has anything to be excited about as far as championship aspirations go. If I guess they would need another piece.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

They really just they don't even necessarily need another piece. They just need a bench. Like their bench is gonna be fucking terrible.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

I mean, they they need more, they need somebody outside of Giannis that can go actually get a bucket. Like BAM's they're not out here yet. Shut up. Shut the fuck. What was Bam's career high before that?

SPEAKER_02 47:02

Uh what, 40 probably?

SPEAKER_00 47:03

Did Bam ever have like a stretch where he went 35 back to back? No, but he did have a game where he went for 83. Okay, the most the most disrespectful 83 there ever.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

Man, we can both agree to that. It was disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

I respect Wilt Chamberlain's 100 points that nobody's ever seen more than I do Bam's 83.

SPEAKER_02 47:23

It's so disrespectful. It was a literal white piece of paper with him holding up 100. It happened.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Right. Yeah, but here's the thing. You look you look at Kobe's 81 and you look at Bam's 83, and that ain't the same 81, buddy. Absolutely not. That's why I don't respect him. It was an earned 81. We're gonna fail intentionally.

SPEAKER_02 47:46

They gave Bam the 83. Yeah, they wanted him to be able to do it. Like I'll legitimately give Bam 60. Right. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

He was fucking hooping. And then the fact that he was on the court, if it would have been a 30-point game and Kobe had 65, there's no way he's saying, Yeah, let me play these other eight minutes so I can try to score 83 points.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

Yeah, no, the last 23 points I'm not giving. Man, that's bullshit. Yeah, those are trash.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

If he would have had 25 and the last one. Yeah, if they had 20, if he had 25 going into that fourth quarter, he wouldn't have played the second in the fourth. Yeah. Even if he'd asked. And I also don't respect it that it was the Wizards because God, that defense was atrocious. Yeah, they were just a bad team. They weren't even trying to win. I could have won, I feel like I could have got a bucket on that Wizards team at some point.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

Yeah, leave me open in the corner. Man. Just like you didn't.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

Let me sit corner. Let me sit corner all game. I'm hitting a couple.

SPEAKER_02 48:43

He also shot 22 threes. Yeah, right. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

Come on now.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

You're a center.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Bam might not have shot 22 the previous 45 games combined.

SPEAKER_02 48:54

22 threes is crazy. Yeah, so you don't love it. I don't love it either. I don't love it either. I mean, they're probably a playoff team.

SPEAKER_00 49:02

I just don't, I just look at that roster and I'm just like, it's not that good. And part of it is because of Giannis.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

I'm a big they re-signed Andrew Wiggins today. Ooh. Yeah, it's hey, I was a big Norman Powell's gone. Big Wiggins guy. If they do end up losing Norman Powell, that is a huge loss.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

Yeah, facts. He is a hooper. In what world are we talking about? Somebody trading for a superstar, and it's like, man, but if they lose Norman Powell, it's over. Yeah, but he averaged like 22 a game. He's a baller. He is, but it not yeah, but he averaged 22 a game on the Miami Heat who had who? Bam, and Tyler Hero who wasn't there. That's true. So somebody's gonna score. I mean, shit, go look at the worst teams in the league, bro. Somebody's out here scoring, bro. Cam, what's my boy's name? Cam Thomas for the Nets. Man. Out the league. He was 20 a game multiple years.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

Well, there's a couple reasons Cam Thomas didn't have to be. That's okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:58

That's okay.

SPEAKER_02 49:58

He didn't believe in passing the ball. Not an option. Why would I? I'm 20 a game. When he got the ball, not only was he not going to pass it, he was gonna pull that bitch from just about anywhere. Right. Anywhere could get the ball.

SPEAKER_00 50:15

Anybody can do that on a bad team. That's true. Cam Thomas in Milwaukee couldn't even get on the course.

SPEAKER_02 50:21

Giannis wasn't gonna allow all the ball hogging. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

No, no winning team's gonna allow that unless you're the guy that's making the winning happen. Unless you're Luca or Prime James Harden. Man. Or LeBron.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

Give me uh you think they're a playoff team?

SPEAKER_00 50:35

Yeah. I mean, I I I could really think it's it's you're probably gonna think I'm really crazy, but like I honestly could see them play in. What about the Bucs? Playing? I can Bucks play could be a play-in team. The East actually might be a little interesting. Well, how many there's no like top. I feel like it's the Knicks, the Celtics, but I mean there's a lot of teams.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

I think the East is just as interesting as the West.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Yeah, but they're not as good. Like the quality's not there. I mean, you're not looking at the East like a gauntlet. Detroit should be good. Yeah, I mean, but Cleveland should be good. The Knicks. The Knicks, Boston. But that's four teams already right there. I can I'm gonna name a couple of teams that I think are gonna be better than them. I'm not gonna say the Magic are back. If Halliburton's back, the Pacers potentially, it kind of sucks that they got fucked out of their pick. But I mean, you know, they were a team that was in the finals with Tyler Tyrese Halliburton, so you're kind of expecting him to come back. Right. How do you feel about the Hawks? You gotta respect them. I mean, bro, after they traded Trey Young, they were one of the best teams in the league. Jalen Johnson is a dog. Yeah. You gotta put you gotta expect them. And then you've also looked if if healthy, I have to put with the Wizards as a team that could be on that play-in bubble.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

The Wizards? Potentially, yes. I don't, bro. I don't know. Are the Wizards better than the Grizzlies? Yes. The podcast is over, everybody. Thank y'all for tuning in. Nah, bro. That's fucking crazy, bro. The Wizards are terrible.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

The Wizards with Trey Young, Anthony Davis, AJ DeBanta. Bro, first off, Anthony Davis will be a good one. Who on the Grizzlies is better than Trey Young? Bro, Anthony Davis will not play a single game as a wizard. Okay, that's fine. Who on the Grizzlies is better than Trey Young? Everybody. Come on, bro. Trey Young fucking.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

Who on the Grizzlies is better than Trey Young? Trey Young fucking.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

Hell, based on what we expected.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

He literally could not guard a single player on the Grizzlies.

SPEAKER_00 52:39

Trey Young's getting cooked one through 15. Guess what? He's better than everybody. And guess what? Whoever the fuck is guarding him can't guard him. Yeah, that's just. Who do I feel better about getting me 30?

SPEAKER_02 52:49

I would actually Trey Young's guard up. I would think Trey Young probably could get locked up. Scottie Pippen Jr.'s locking up Trey Young. Bro, so you think the Grizzlies are better than the Wizards? If they are healthy, at their roster is the game. Yes, but there's a couple teams that the Grizzlies are automatically better than. Sacramento. Sacramento could have God on the team where the Grizzlies would start.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

They're automatically better than Sacramento, and they're automatically and Zach Levine are both better than anybody on Memphis. No, I think they just traded for Jalen Duran.

SPEAKER_00 53:20

Do they trade Sabonas? I think so. Something like that. I haven't read the news. That's cool. But Jalen Durin's all-star. Who the fuck was all-star on Memphis last year? Yeah, he looked like an all-star in the playoffs. Some of us like the regular season. We're talking about getting to the fucking playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

Yeah, Sacramento, I'm telling you, bro. Sacramento is just destined to be bad for the rest of the tournament.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

They got a chance. They are gonna be bad because as long as DeMar DeRozan's on the roster.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

They're gonna light the beam like 17 times.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

It's hard to say Sacramento when they were just in the playoffs. They're trash. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

They've got a better chance. They literally, they literally went and trashed the roster. We can keep going. Who else do you think they're better than? I'd name the two teams. Who? So there's always the Kings and who? It's the Kings and the Wizards. That's crazy. They're always better than those two teams. The rest is a toss-up. I used to be able to say the Jazz. I can't, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 54:24

That is so crazy to say that. Why? Because when you look at poverty, you can say that the Memphis Grizzlies are one of those kind of trip franchise. I mean, they haven't been here long enough. They ain't won shit. Yeah, it's a poverty franchise. I just named three poverty franchises. I don't know, bro. I I don't think that that's the right thing. I don't think going into next year, if I look at them healthy, which I'm not expecting, I'm not expecting the Wizards to have AD. But like if they had as it sits right now, currently constructed, I would expect a the Wizards to be better than the Grizzlies. Bro, y'all have Cam Boozer and Santi Adama. Yeah, he's sick.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

He'll get traded.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

You just fucking called him sick.

SPEAKER_02 55:02

He's nice.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

Matis Bazellas is better than anybody on the Grizzlies. Agreed. Except maybe Cam Boozer. Like an 18-point per game player. Hey, he's sick. It's better, ain't better than who? I said Cam Boozer. Come on, bro. I'm a fanboy now. I guess that's why you're saying y'all might not. Y'all are probably the worst team in the league next year.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

We're not worse than the Sacramento Kings.

SPEAKER_00 55:27

The only team that I'm accepting y'all say that I think y'all are gonna be worse better than is probably the Nets.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Oh, yeah, I didn't even name the Nets. They suck too. A lot of people are uh choosing Mikhail Brown as their dark horse for uh rookie of the year.

SPEAKER_00 55:40

He's got a great opportunity, dude. He might be one of those guys we look at him and be like, bro, this dude's gonna be the best in the NBA because he there's no reason why he can't give you 28 tonight. Well, no, that's not true. He's got a thief. He's got a he's got a real, he's got Julius Randle.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

Yeah, Michael Porter.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

We're gonna be talking about Julia. There's a whole lot of trigger men over there. They're gonna be arguing.

SPEAKER_02 56:05

That's funny. That's all I got, brother. That's all I got, too, man. Hey man, prayers up for CJ 2K.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

Episode 28. This is for you, my dog. Tony Power's going crazy for you this year. I don't know about that. I hope so. He's gonna channel his inner CJ. They better have a patch for my boy. They better give my boy the Tim Shaw treatment for sure.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

That one hurt today. So man, prayers up for the family. Hope all is well. That's episode 28. We're out of here. See y'all on the next one. Man, like, subscribe, follow. Do everything that you can do to help us out. We appreciate it. One step closer every day. Man. Holla. Peace.