We're Not Experts: Crash Out Summer

NBA Finals drama, World Cup talk, the Jonathan Cooper crash out, and a whole lot more. Another week of sports chaos, hot takes, and bad decisions from the guys at WNE.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

It's We're Not Experts. Episode 25. We are back in the cave again. A quarter century down.

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A hundred centuries to go.

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Yeah, this is a lifetime.

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Man, we're here. We're here. We're still pushing along. As always, the predictions are wrong. The takes are hot.

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We Yeah, we're gonna give we're gonna have World Cup predictions. We are at the end of this episode.

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Ooh. Stick around for that. I have a I have some dineros in on a futures for the World Cup already.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Oh, do you? I do. Who?

SPEAKER_03 0:42

You want to get into it now? I thought we were getting predictions at the end.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Nah, we can get into it later.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

Alright, man.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

So what you want to talk about first?

SPEAKER_03 0:48

Before I made that, we can talk about you said you want to you said you wanted to know. We can start there.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Nah, nah, we'll wait.

SPEAKER_03 0:54

Nah, bro.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Fuck it.

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We can get into it now, bro. The World Cup's here.

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It is here. It started today.

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Man, day one.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Electric. I like it.

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Let's go. I already won. We got a big game coming up. You and I are on the same side this tonight, trying to get some get some gusto.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Yeah, let's go check you.

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All we need is a 1-0.

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That's it.

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If you got a 1-0, then you can lose.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Yeah, I don't even care.

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Shout out, shout out DraftKings, a reputable gambling platform.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Facts. Yeah, but I gotta take my money.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

You know what's funny? You know, I've talked a lot of shit about the uh predictions markets, right? One of my homies does that.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

And so I just wanted to help you. He's a poly market. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

So I was like, shit, fuck it, man. Give me a referral.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

And I'll sign up for it. Just get my little referral, use that, and be done with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Alright. What'd you do?

SPEAKER_03 1:47

Would you believe me if I told you these motherfuckers would not let me deposit my money? What do you like? Did you hit? I didn't get to deposit money. Why not? Because I guess banks do not fuck with these predictions markets, apparently. I tried to use my bank account. I tried to use my Cash App card. Like I tried to use Apple Pay. Nah, bro, they want wire transfers, debit card. Like your usual. Apple Pay, like it just kept getting declined. Got a text, said it this is fraud. I said, nah, it was me that did it. They said, go ahead and try it again. Tried it again. Declined.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

I mean, I guess they're not wrong. It is fraud.

SPEAKER_03 2:30

I was like, it just wasn't meant for me to fuck. I did that more to help you out. So, you know, it just goes to show the world meant for me to not fuck with poly market and the predictions of sites.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

It's odd. Because you can like you can. Well, there's some cool things about it though. You can like bet on the weather.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Right, yeah. But the but the thing about it that it is attractive to people is there's no house. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

So like brother, if you're betting on the weather, you need help.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

Yeah. FanDuel gave me a little free 25 in there. I I put it on a predictions bet because I had to. They wouldn't let me use it for a sports bet.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Did you hit it? Yeah. What'd you bet it on?

SPEAKER_03 3:11

I bet it on the price of silver at open market open.

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And it and it needed it over.

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I can't even remember what it was. It was the only time I ever looked at it. That's so funny. No, I lied. I did too, because they gave me another one after that for another 25 and I put it on the price of oil.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Yeah, but what was like the odds? What'd they set the line at?

SPEAKER_03 3:31

Well, it fluctuates.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Okay.

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So like there's it's just like it's almost like you have like alt spreads and shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Yeah, but I'm saying, like, even after you put the bet in it.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Yeah, so there's like different prices. So like you could bet it at I say bet, you could trade it at let's just say silver was around $70. You could bet it to be over $70.50 or over $80 or under $79.50 and so on. So like you had like the 50-50 line was a certain price, and then it was like alt spread alt lines on points and shit.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

And you can do it for you know a month from now, you can do it for shit. I did mine for market open. So I just did mine as soon as the stock market opened and all that shit. Like a certain time, as soon as that time hit it, cashed.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

I don't love it, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 4:22

The people that like it like it for a reason, and I can understand it. It's just for me, it's just like eh, fuck that. It seems like I don't want to take my money from you though. Like that's where my thing is, like, that's what it is. It's like you would bet yes and I would bet no.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

And like Yeah, you would it's you would get that money that where they said no and you said yes.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

Yeah, but like there's like not a house.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Yeah, like I get it.

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So everything's a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

But I don't mind DraftKings is the house.

SPEAKER_03 4:47

Yeah, I'm trying to take my money from Vegas. I don't want to take my money from my my homie or some person. I want to take my money from the robbers. Trying to be a modern-day Robin Hood.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Right, yeah, 100%. So I don't want to beat the next man. I want to beat the man.

SPEAKER_03 5:02

Exactly. It's like the dirtbags, the people that lock your bets on your last leg and won't let you cash out.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

So are you what how would you describe yourself as a soccer fan?

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I watch the World Cup. Like, I follow all sports. So, like, you know, I know who's good. Like, I watch soccer. I'm not like heavy into it, but like I follow it, keep up with it.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

So a casual. You would say like a casual.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

I'm gonna watch the World Cup.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

Right. You know, I'm gonna get into it.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

The biggest sporting event in the world, probably.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

All right. Do you have a favorite for who you think is gonna win it?

SPEAKER_03 5:37

I do, and it's really dirty because it's kind of chalk.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

I are you gonna say France? Yeah, I win with France. Yeah, I don't blame you. They're sick as fuck. They're sick as fuck. They're sick as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

And I didn't know that Mbappe wasn't injured.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

Their front three is it wouldn't even really matter. You still got Michael, Elise, OC, Debele. Like they're sick as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 6:00

Yeah, but I did it because they're gonna put a if they go on a run, DraftKings had the promo where you can put like every goal they score, you get five dollars a bonus bet.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Yeah, right.

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So I just put it on France. I'm just like shit.

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It's a it's a good ball.

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I'll take the I'll take the odds, turn my little 25 into a hundred bucks, and then get five dollars in bonus bets for you know, however many let them score fifty goals. I mean they're not gonna score that many, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

You never know. Seems like good money. I I agree. I uh I think if I'm I haven't put any futures bets on, but I think uh there's two teams I would put futures on to win the World Cup. And neither team has won it.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

It's definitely Portugal. I love Portugal. Okay. And the Netherlands. The Dutch. He went with some sleepers. I man, I don't think the Dutch, I think that Portugal actually has a real chance.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

They have like the fourth or fifth highest odds.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Who, Portugal?

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Yeah, no, I I think they have a legit chance. Their team's sick as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 7:03

What do you think uh what do you think USA does?

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Dude, I don't want to get like so I don't know. Like I would consider myself more than a casual. Especially for the like US soccer. Yeah. Like it's like I follow every player that goes to Europe. I watch the MLS, like I would consider myself a pretty hardcore US men's national team fan. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

I'm gonna cheer for a USA. I'm a big fan of America.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Realistically, like you would like to see this team go like quarterfinals. What if they go on a run? If you could go to the semis, I mean, brother, the vibes. The vibes would be electric.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

I just want to know when are we going to get to a point where we are expected to like come actually compete to win it all. I think it's coming. How far out do you think we are? Maybe three World Cups from now? Another 12 years? Or do you think we're closer than that?

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Like because soccer's growing. It seems like a long time. Soccer is growing, it is 100% growing. But like it seems like a long time, but I don't know if that's an unrealistic timeline, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

Yeah, I feel like that's decent enough.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Yeah, but dude, we're pretty fucking good now.

SPEAKER_03 8:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

Like we're pretty fucking good. Like we're not, I mean, I don't think we're on the level, like, we're definitely a tier below.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

It's just like the gap between the elites and us.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

It's like a it's a big tier jump for sure.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

Look, not there's just not enough of us out there. But what makes them so different? Not for my people out there on the field.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

Yeah, like, but see, at the same time, like they're lucky, like LeBron James didn't play soccer. Right. Like they're lucky. What would Kyrie on the soccer field?

SPEAKER_03 8:54

He'd be sick as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Like if he grew up like a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 8:56

Like with those kind of those kind of handles instead of dribbling, he did it with the soccer.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah, well, it's just it's I don't even know if it's that like he's just like he is that athletic, and when you're that athletic, you probably tend to pick up things like that.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

Side to side moving, like the quick quickness.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

Like he would be dynamic. I mean, name a wide receiver that runs a 4-3, like Tyree Kill. Yeah, he would probably be sick as fuck. Xavier Worthy. Probably sick as fuck. If like if he grew up playing the sport, yeah, like part of the problem with soccer in the US is it's like this crazy pay-to-play system. Yeah, you know, like you go to the reason that soccer is the most popular sport in every other country is just simply the fact that it's so accessible. Man, you just need a ball. Like you don't even have to have shoes. Yeah. Like you just need a ball and a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 9:44

Something you can make out of goal. Yeah, something you can go out of. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Like you, and you don't even necessarily have to have a goal. Like if you have a person to pass the ball with, like, that suffices too. Yeah. I mean, you're still gonna need something for like shooting. Right. But like, you know, like you're just gonna be able to get a little bit of a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

You're gonna set up like a plate on a barrel.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Like target practice. Right. You're but you're getting like the core of it. Like you're dribbling the ball, you're passing it, like, you know, two of the more important things to do in soccer, like man. But in the US, we don't make it accessible like that for whatever reason. Right. And it's a big reason why we're so far behind.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

But you do start you are seeing more people, like it is growing here. So like you are gonna start seeing like that gap get closed as soccer grows. Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

I can Alex Freeman, his uh his dad played for the Packers. I can't think of his name. But I mean, you know, like you get you start getting these kids that come from these backgrounds of parents that are were just as good as athletes as they were. Man.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Yeah, but I think one thing you say that when when I look at it, when I think about like the we were talking about the time frame of it, is just like, bro, think about think about like how it feels like soccer is at a point in America now, like maybe 2008, 2004, how like basketball was to the rest of the world.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Around the world.

SPEAKER_03 11:11

Yeah, and then like and think about how long it's gotten from them to catch up to us in a way, but like realistically, they're still not close.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

France is probably the closest. Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 11:22

I feel like that's just because if they got a guy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

They got one guy.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

Uh maybe two.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

They gotta they've got a guy that well, they got two. Yeah, I'd throw Rudy up there.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Like, yeah, he sucks though.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

Speaking of that guy, last night.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

I didn't I didn't even I didn't even I didn't even realize how much money he was getting until like I read the article. Who? Patty. Is that who you're about to talk about?

SPEAKER_03 11:49

Uh no, but we can go into that.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

I'm gonna go to Wimby in the finals. Brother. Did you watch the game last night? One of the most incredible games I've ever watched in my life.

SPEAKER_03 11:59

Man, I wouldn't even call it incredible because for being real, the collapse was incredible. Yeah, I mean, but when I think about like you look at it, like it's a great comeback, but the game was terrible, actually. You think until it got close, it was terrible. I mean, they were just getting the fuck beat out of them, and then they weren't.

SPEAKER_00 12:17

They just kept getting it to 15.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

And the thing about they've been doing this shit, it just feels like it, like after last night, bro. I don't think the Spurs can recover. Like, I feel like they're gonna come out here and get scraped.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

You do? I think they're gonna come out here and get scraped and game. I feel the opposite. Like, I would go and bet the house on the Spurs.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

Man, I don't know, bro. I would after what I've seen, it's just so hard.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Did you not see the video of Wimby walking back to his getting back to his hotel room last night?

SPEAKER_03 12:44

And they threw the egg at my boy. He got hot, his feelings are hurt. He's gonna come out and try too hard. The youth, bro. This series has been all about the Spurs could have easily swept these people. Yeah, they've been up double digits, I'm pretty sure, in the fourth quarter, every game.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

Yeah, but you got dude. Jalen Brunson is a dog. I this might be a hot take. This might be a hot take. And I don't even necessarily mean for it to be a hot take. It's just kind of how I feel. But like I feel like if the Knicks win this championship, the way that he's approached it, people are calling him a cornball. Like you saw what he said at the press conference after the game last night.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

What?

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Everybody's like, you know, he's like, there's nothing to celebrate.

SPEAKER_03 13:33

Not a fact. It is the right mindset. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

It's only happened once, but people, but people are calling him a cornball. I'm telling you, bro, if they win this championship for whatever reason, to me, it feels like it means more. It feels like more than one. It feels like more than one champion.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Well, you gotta think, bro. They haven't won a ship in 53 years. So yeah, I can see I can see that.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Like it just feels that way to me.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Especially when you consider it, bro. Like, I I'll I'll be happy about the Knicks winning the ship. For the fact is, is you don't see teams being led by a 6'2 guard as their number one player.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

Right. And to my point, like this is my point. Like, if he wins this championship, it's kind of like Dirk. You can just put him in the hall.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Like Brunson, if they win this championship, Brunson goes to the hall.

SPEAKER_03 14:33

I mean, he still gotta play at a at a high level. He can't Russell Wilson at the rest of his career. I mean, yeah, but he can't fall off a cliff because he doesn't have the longevity of it. I mean, he took the two cut, the time in Dallas to get going and all that, which I mean, his time with the Knicks has been impressive. It's he's been sick as far as. I thought you were about to go as far as saying that you're about to call him like the best in the league, and I was about to say, now that's a that is a hot take. No. But if you I mean, he could very easily feel more.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

He could very easily be the most clutch player in the league. I mean, I I feel like he was already that. Right. I I do too. I'm just saying that it would be undisputed at that point.

SPEAKER_03 15:10

I just think it's just incredible what they have done with these comebacks. Like, you're in control for so long, bro. A 29-point lead with eight minutes left to go in the third is and and losing.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

It's disgusting. The collapse.

SPEAKER_03 15:26

The Wimby missing the free throws, the De'Aaron Fox. The fact that he even went up for that layup, and I understand the logic of it saying he's a 76% free throw shooter versus uh he's fast, and they could lay up.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

But yeah, I mean, at least waste some time. He could have just ran to the corner. He also could have just ran harder and dunked the ball.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

But the play calling.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

He's one of the fastest players in the league.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

The shot, the shot, the like the second half of that game, it was almost like Vegas made a call and said, like, bro, you're up 29 points. You're telling me you're still shooting threes 10 seconds into the shot clock.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

They wanted to be up 49 points.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

Yeah, and I don't like the fact that they let them bleed it down.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

I don't necessarily, but I don't necessarily disagree with like put letting your foot off the gas. Like if you're up that much, you I feel like you shouldn't.

SPEAKER_03 16:20

Are you letting your foot off the gas if you're shooting threes with 15 seconds left in the shot clock?

SPEAKER_00 16:25

I mean, yeah, no, I get that point. Like, and it makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

If you're gonna milk the clock, let's milk it. Think about how many possessions they could have like taken away by just ran set five to seven. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

You could have just ran set set after set. Try to get good shit.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

I don't why are we seven five? Like the fact that Wimby's not out here just like on the block. It's because he's too small. Sometimes you need some weight. 7-5 is cool, but like when you come in these moments where you gotta take jump shots, you got this pressure, like all of the youth, like everybody's talking about how great that comeback was, and for me, I feel like the story is just more of like the absolute collapse of the of the Spurs, which granted the Knicks were on fire.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

I'll tell you this. Uh, you know what makes it so great? The atmosphere. Dude, that place was nuts. I don't know if I've ever seen a more nuts place. And then the videos y'all, every star. Every star was.

SPEAKER_03 17:27

They're booing these people. And they're snapping too. They're going the fuck off.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Have you seen the videos of Timothy Chalamet after the game? Snapping. With the fans, he's hyped. Knicks in five. There's a great video. There's a great video of Spike Lee saying, man, if the Knicks win the championship, they better pray it's a way game. Man. Hey.

SPEAKER_03 17:51

The city's gonna burn.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Brother. They're fucking the shit.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

They're breaking into all the stores.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Do you see that shit at the five guys? You see what happened at the five? They broke it. They got to like they throw chairs at the fry cook and shit, bro. It was crazy. Those people are nuts. They're gonna wild out. They're psychos. And it's part of the reason why I want them to win. I swear to God. It's part of the reason why I want them to win. It's just because they're so crazy. They're the Florida man of the North. But it's it's you know what? It's like too late to turn back now. Like if they were to get walked 3-1, the city's gonna burn. Oh, they're gonna be sick. The city would burn.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

I just don't see you like, and it's not that I don't think that the Spurs can do it. Like, I think the Spurs, I wouldn't be surprised if they walked them down. I just can't see it happening because like they're just like two, like too many bad decisions. Like they're just they are showing their youth. And it almost seems like they felt like they have reached the mountaintop when they beat OKC in game seven.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

You feel like arrested.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

I mean, like they only played like how many games? Like they, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 19:00

What they swept, they swept the calves.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

Right. They played four games in like 23 days. So hey. Like they're arrested. They're playing their they've been playing great ball. It ain't like they've, I mean, they haven't been tested other than that moment in Atlanta, but then they've started putting belt to ass.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Cat's been a dog. Cat's dog The Big Prr. You see what I did there? Pride month purr. Pride month purr. Zesty, the big zest. Man. He's been sick. OGN and Obi's been sick. To be honest with you, he should probably be the one that wins finals MVP.

SPEAKER_03 19:35

I mean, yeah. I mean, here's the thing. They were I heard they were talking about it on ESPN earlier today, and I agree with it. Like, when they do the presentation, if the Knicks win this ship, like, we're gonna be seeing that that tip in and that block from Ananobi for years.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Even if they were to somehow blow the 3-1 lead, you'll still see.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Nah, because then the story will be this.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

A game seven would be, brother, insane if it happened to be a good one.

SPEAKER_03 20:09

I just I just can't see it. I feel like like I feel like it's gonna be so hard with all that youth. I'm putting my dinero on the Spurs for game five. No doubt. It's not a bad pick. I mean, I'm sure that's gonna be pretty close to even money. Spurs are at home. It's just I don't know. Wimby, they like the guy in the Dynasty League is convinced it's just because they're tired. I mean, fuck, they're gonna be more tired now. It's another game.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Yeah, what a crazy gonna go downhill from an energy level here.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

So you you gotta think if if that's all that matters, then I mean.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Everybody's tired at this point, though. Like, get the fuck out of here, bro. That's not even a real excuse. That's not even a real excuse.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

No, there's no excuse. I mean, there shouldn't be any excuse.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

Like, you're getting paid millions of dollars.

SPEAKER_03 20:53

Well, the Knicks' defense wasn't great. Like, the Knicks come out here and play, and you sit over here and you say, Okay, you can't shoot 60% from the field and expect that to continue to happen. And the problem is in the second half of the game, you shoot 21%. Yeah, you score 30 points in two quarters.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

Yeah, you just can't shoot 21%.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Man, yeah, like you shoot you shoot 27%, you win the game.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Right. If you shoot 39%, you probably beat the fuck out of them. Man, yeah. I agree. Now I do agree with that, but I mean there's sometimes it's just not in that's not in your control. Like that place really made a difference.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Man, when they you that environment made a difference. I knew they were gonna be in trouble when they went from 29 to 15 by the end of the when it got when it got to 10. When they said that, I said it's over. I said they're gonna come back.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

When it got to 15, it really felt like something was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

Man, and then they hit that first three to bring it to four. When they got it, they got they cut it from seven to four, and then the Spurs came out and hit that three right back, and then I think it was Ananobi that hit that corner three to get. It back to four, I said it's over. I knew then I said this game's over. It just feels like the the Knicks aren't like down the stretch of the game, like you is when you see the age the most. Bad decisions. Yeah, no, for sure. Like you got the Wimby passing the outlet pass with the game in hand to or was that the no that were tied at that moment. There's Wimby passed the ball and hit the uh in the hit Castle in the back.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Yeah, that was a bad decision. Man, you just uh there I mean there was Knicks fans last night that would have said that there was some bad officiating too.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

I mean, I feel like De'Aaron Fox got fouled. I'll say that.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

I'm glad they didn't call it.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

I'm glad they didn't too, because the last thing I would have wanted to see, I I wouldn't have wanted to see a game, you know. I mean Just let them play ball. They should have intentionally fouled them. He they didn't deserve for a foul to be called when you take a dumbass shot like that. He should have just gone up and dunked it. I think the Knicks are going home. I think it's curtains. Or I think the Spurs are going home in five. Ain't gonna be much of a trip.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

I'm excited to see what'll happen if they do win the chip, though. It's the Spurs. Oh, the Spurs? No, the Knicks. I mean It's gonna be like I advise everybody that lives in New York.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

I'm evacuating New York. Stay inside. You're not safe there. Please stay inside. There's gonna be a whole lot of Robin Louie LV and Dior and I think we both think the Knicks are gonna win, though. I do.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

I just think the Knicks win in six. You think the Knicks win in five? Either way. I uh I hope so. I hope the Knicks win. It'd be pretty cool. It's it's I don't know. This has been the most watched finals in like 30 years.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

I mean, it the series score doesn't see it, but I mean it's been a great series. Great. The game's been great. They've been great. They've all been, they've all had it it's been intense. They've all come down to down stretch.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

We're having it's a it's a real electric summer this year.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

Man.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

The summer of 26 might go down in history. Man, it's been it has been a good one. You you get the you got the finals electric, the NHL playoffs have been electric.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Man, this this series has been great.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Yeah, the finals have been electric. You get the World Cup, electric. I mean, it just and we got the World Cup for the game.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

Yeah. NFL is gonna be back, some great matchups early in the year.

SPEAKER_04 24:37

It's true.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Sighted, man. But you know, we can shift gears, start talking about some some NFL now, man.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

We can talk about Patrick Mahomes getting half a bill. Insane. Do you does this signify to you that Patrick Mahomes is done winning?

SPEAKER_03 24:54

Uh no, but I think it's gonna be a lot harder now, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Do you think that it's a worthy bag? Obviously, it's a worthy bag. I don't think that's the right question.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

For sure, for sure it's a worthy bag. I mean, here's the thing the cap's gonna go up, and four years from now, he's still gonna have four years left on his deal, and he's gonna be the 13th highest paid quarterback again.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

So you think it was a good move for the whole thing? You get ahead of it.

SPEAKER_03 25:19

I mean, they they so he'd already had an extension through what, was it 31? They only added two years on the deal, but they just upped the pace significantly.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

It's like a it's like an average of 64 mil a year.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

Yeah. I think my concern with it is is when you look at it, I mean, yes, we know what Patrick Mahomes has been. We know that he's he could retire today. He's first ballot Hall of Famer, arguably a top five quarterback all time if his career ended today.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

But you look at it, it's an eight-year deal. He's off an ACL, and it's been what, three years now? That offense hasn't been Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Their offense hasn't been things.

SPEAKER_03 26:01

I mean, I mean, you know, that yes, I get they went one of those years they went to the Super Bowl, and I get that. They got their ass beat. They did also win a Super Bowl, but from an offensive perspective, his numbers have been down, he hasn't looked great, now he's coming off an ACL, could be some concern if he doesn't get back to Patrick Mahomes. I feel like we're looking at it like, okay, yeah, obviously he's worth it because it's Patrick Mahomes, but I'm gonna be honest with you, dude.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

I don't know, I don't know for how much longer we're gonna have to look at like an ACL as something that is this crazy recovery.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

I mean, this other than the fact that it's a season ender. Yeah, no, it's a season ender, but like I'm I just think that when you look at that and couple that with the fact that his numbers have declined.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Like, have you seen this shit with Tucker Kraft? They say he's gonna be back. Week one. Like they're talking about him being back.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

They're talking about Kittle being back from the Achilles week one.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Yeah, well, he was on Bustin' with the boys, and he was talking about how when he tore his Achilles, it was like it didn't separate from the bottom of his foot. Oh. So it wasn't as bad. Like a fool. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

Well, I mean, shit, and that's crazy because what Michael Parsons ain't gonna be back in the already said he's a starting season pup, so he's what, week five?

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 27:22

But it's just ACL way earlier.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Tucker Kraft, it's like he tore like multiple ligaments, like it wasn't just the ACA, modern medicine combined with attacking, and like they're talking about this cat being packed week one with no restrictions, and then here you go with Malik Neighbors, dude, still can't walk. Dude, that shit's still walking with a limp and shit, but at the same time, like he's had knee problems for a while. Like, he had knee problems in college, like Daryl Morey, man.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

It it seems as if we sold high.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Yeah. Yeah, I'd say so. I'd say so. Yeah, what a great move. Hey, but look, I mean, it's a good move for him though, too, if he ends up coming back and being the guy.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

So yeah, facts. But back to Patrick, do you think, I mean, how do you feel about the contract?

SPEAKER_00 28:13

You have no doubts, like I mean what do you think about their window? I I think it's a good move. You if Rasheed Rice isn't a fucking moron from this point forward. I ain't banking on that. Yeah, I wouldn't bank on it, but they also need someone to emerge. They do need someone to emerge, but their offense on paper should be better. Should be better.

SPEAKER_03 28:38

But I feel like part of what we expect for Patrick Mahomes, though, is like what Worthy and Rasheed Rice, like they're not well, I mean, Rasheed Rice is probably good enough, but you know, Worthy hasn't shown me even when when Rice was out last year, like that he was a Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

I don't look, I don't love Xavier Worthy. I don't love him. I do think that he could play a role if you could get Rasheed Rice to be on the field.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

He's your deep threat guy. He can absolutely run faster than people.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

Like he could absolutely be your deep threat guy, but you also got Taquan Thornton to do that. It's crazy name to say. And he had some moments. He did, yeah. And when you got Patrick Mahomes as your as your quarterback, I mean, yeah. I don't see why. I don't see why it wouldn't work. Guy that good makes players better around him.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

They're just gonna have to continue to be good in the draft.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

I I think it's a one, it's a deserved bag. I'm glad that he's making half a billion dollars.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

Yeah. Shout out to him, shout out to him for doing it too.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Ethical BCA member. He should have got this contract, what, three, four years ago, though? Platinum. The platinum of platinums, triple platinum. He might be the largest member of the BCA. Now I actually don't even know if it's a might.

SPEAKER_03 30:03

Who else has half a billion? I can tell you Shohei Otani.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Yeah, it's a one, I would say a one soto-like contract, but I expect I expect Patrick Mahomes to perform. I don't expect him to steal the the Chiefs' money.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

Yeah, I just think the thing is, is man, it's just it's hard. Here's the thing. If let's just you take away take away the Super Bowls, take away everything else. Let's say that these past that this is Patrick Mahomes' last three years is him coming in as a rookie and playing those three years of football. Statistically speaking, and like how they like that how their offense has been. If if this was Trevor Lawrence, we wouldn't be sitting over here saying that's a $64 million contract.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Oh no. No, you wouldn't.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

Which obviously he's earned it. He's got the grace, he's shown it. It's just is he going to get back to that level before the past three years? Can he revert back to Patrick Mahomes? I believe he can. I didn't see necessarily a fall off in his talent.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

Look, a lot of a lot of when it comes to paying somebody, like a lot of it's just like what we like gambling. It's just another form of gambling. You know what I mean? Yeah. And to me, Patrick Mahomes is a guy I would want to gamble on. Absolutely. That's a guy I would want to put my money behind.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

You still think Pat's the best quarterback in the NFL? Would you still say he's number one?

SPEAKER_00 31:37

I mean, I you know how I feel about naming a number one. Would he be in like the top tier of quarterbacks? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

Yeah, I mean, he's obviously. I mean, that I it's hard for someone to top them. I mean, the only one that's not safe.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

Like, I don't want to like I wouldn't want to look at you and be like, no, I don't think he's number one. Like, it doesn't feel right to say. Now, if we were like, you what are you what do you think he's doing he's the number one fantasy quarterback? Obviously not.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

But real I know, I know.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

I'm just saying, like, real life.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

Yeah, he's he's you start a franchise, you can have any quarterback in the NFL today. Who you take it?

SPEAKER_00 32:19

And age doesn't matter?

SPEAKER_03 32:20

Age doesn't matter for this if for this year.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

You gotta take a team this year. Yeah, I would probably pick Patrick Mahomes.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

All right.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

He's a winner.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

That's fair. So you're saying he's still number one then?

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Sure. Yeah, I yeah, I would. I mean he's got the pedigree. He's a winner.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

Do you think if you take I think he's a good leader? Do you think if you take Pat and put him on that Bills team last year and put Josh on the Chiefs, like, do you think that we're saying this we're having the same conversation about how their seasons turned out?

SPEAKER_00 32:58

Like you think Josh Allen's making that Chiefs team a playoff team? I feel like he could have. I feel like he would have. I guess if you were gonna argue who the best quarterback in the league, that would be the guy you would bring up, right? Yeah. Like that would be your other number one.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Well, I just think I just think that Josh Allen on that Chiefs team would have made up for a difference like that would have been much more needed than what Pat could have overcame. Yeah, I uh I also go out and say that if Pat Mahomes was on the Bills, I feel like they would have won the boss the ship if he doesn't get hurt, obviously, but you think their roster is that much better?

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Who? The Bills?

SPEAKER_03 33:40

No, I just think that I just think that what Josh Allen would have done just for the like what he added like as a runner in that offense. Like, think about how many times we watched a Chiefs game and they get down to the red zone and they're at the five-yard line and end up with three.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

Right. Like I think that changes that changes a lot.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

Like with Josh Allen there, you're not you can't run Pat Mahomes from the three-yard line. You get terrified.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

I think that changes this year, though. I think Kenneth Walker probably comes in and changes that a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

In those situations. I mean, I feel like Kenneth Walker's gonna add a lot to that offense, but they also got my boy Emmett Johnson. So we'll just see. We'll just see what those receivers do when uh Rasheed Rice gets out of jail. Who knows? Maybe he liked it. That's and he goes back.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

That's it's fucked up. It's fucked up. I wouldn't put it past it. If there's there's probably a couchy prediction that Rasheed Rice will go back to jail before 2027.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

What would you take?

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Would you bet on it?

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Would you take the yeah?

SPEAKER_00 34:52

I wouldn't want to. Like I don't want to see him go to jail. But like there's a good chance that like he catches a domestic violence. Right? I mean it seems to be the hot thing to do. There is potential. Like it seems that it seems that these people they get around and they're like, Yeah, like instead of working out today, I think I'm gonna go home and beat my old lady. They're like, what? Yeah, man, she's had a real smart mouth lately. I think I'm gonna go beat her. Put her in her place. And then next thing you know, I'm looking on Facebook or I get an ESPN notification, and I see Jonathan Cooper arrested for domestic violence. And I'm just like, Jesus Christ, again? Another one? Man. I'm like, how does this how do you see a player a week earlier get arrested for domestic violence, and then you're like, you know what seems like a good idea? I'm gonna go beat her ass.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Man.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Hey, look, in fairness, this is this is so I read a little bit up on this. He he got caught cheating.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

How you get caught cheating and beat her ass?

SPEAKER_00 36:10

He got caught cheating. So he was gonna beat her up for it.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Bro, it's so that's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

Do you think he looked at her? Do you think he looked at her and said, You made me do this? And then hit her?

SPEAKER_03 36:25

I mean, I'm sure she probably got he got caught. What I would assume would happen is he got caught cheating. She probably took it to a violent place.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

Well, so she took his phone and went through his phone.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

And and oh, so he beat her ass for taking her phone and fine.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

I would assume that's how it the real argument. That makes it even more fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

Not only are you a dirtbag because you were cheating, you beat her ass for for catching you cheating. She went through his phone. Look, you wouldn't I look, you you wouldn't have got your ass beat if you didn't want to pick up my phone. I wouldn't have been cheating if you didn't if you didn't go through my phone.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

I am in no way defending what he did. I want to say that before I say this.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

She went to jail too. They both went to jail.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Oh, so so she so she got violent too then. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Well, look, I can only imagine that when a six foot five, two hundred and fifty-pound man comes at you, and you know, like what is she? She's probably like 5'6, 5'7, 120 pounds.

SPEAKER_03 37:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

You know what I'm saying? She doesn't have much of a chance.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Yeah, I mean, you know, she's lucky to be alive if he punched her.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Like when she's not a vegetable. You know what I'm saying? What if he bull rushed her? He practiced techniques. I learned this today in practice, bitch.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

She's acting like she was coming across the middle, had the ball, throwing coming my direction. Oh my god. See ball, get ball.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

It was Vontez Burfing versus Anthony Burr, Anthony, yeah, Antonio Brown.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

Dear God.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

She's got CTE.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

It's just, I don't know, man. I just I hate when athletes do that kind of shit because you just put so it's not worth it. It's not, it's not, I mean, it's wrong to do regardless of anybody. It's not worth it for anybody to do it.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

Well, look, you know, and he was pretty high profile, right? Like, I think we would both say that he was pretty high profile. And then, you know, like you would think that would put the league on notice. Same with Josh Jacobs.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

You you would think that people would- did we hit on that last week? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Yeah, we okay. Yeah, Josh Jacobs. If we didn't, Josh Jacobs also beat his girlfriend. Allegedly. Congratulations. Allegedly. He's yeah, allegedly. Sorry. I don't want to get sued.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

But like my thing with that is is once again, it goes back, and I feel like I say this every single time. If I'm an athlete with that kind of career, making the kind of money that I am, like, I I ain't got I don't have it in me to to much less get into a serious argument with someone that's not my wife. I damn sure ain't got no desire to be jeopardizing my career being violent. Stupid. It's dumb as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

It's ignorant.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

Crashing out.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

Crashing out over what the good the good thing is is the you know the whole NFL saw that and was like, damn, right? And then the Rams left tackle. Arlik Jackson comes out and gets arrested for domestic violence. Too much testosterone, man. OTAs are not good. What did you say earlier? OTAs are not good for family relationships.

SPEAKER_03 39:40

Not good, man. We need to keep these guys working.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

They need to be doing two-a-days again.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

Man, they just need to extend the offseason. Do like do like basketball. Give them like a month and a half off. Right. Like, like the season ends a couple weeks later, here's the draft. You've been scouting all year, so you should know. And then we're gonna have Summer League where we just play seven on seven.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Yeah, we don't even need an off-season. Yeah. We need these dudes to be so exhausted they don't want to go home and their significant others.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

And if that leads to more injuries, if we get a couple more, you know, torn ACL or broken leg or anything like that, it's okay. The NFL I'd rather not have 10 off-season storylines about women getting chased down with a car and their ass beat by an NFL player. He's back. Don't worry, he's gonna play.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Bro.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

It's crazy. I hate that. Is he getting is he gonna have any kind of punishment?

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Absolutely. There's no way. There's absolutely no way he was.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

Hey, bruh, my bands were so sick. They said, look, this is probably the worst of the worst. Like, this is worse than I mean, the only thing worse than this is murder.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

I mean, it's essentially a bro, you should stalking.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

You know what this reminds me of? You know what the James Pierce Jr. thing reminds me of? What? And it's completely different but similar at the same time. It kind of it echoes Brendan Soresby being eligible to play college football.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

Man, it really just goes to show the ethics behind this shit, dog. And I don't really like it. As someone who looks at himself as not a dirtbag.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

Just hey, look, look, it didn't get it didn't get granted by one judge. We'll just go to another judge and maybe in chunks. Maybe or maybe not. He might or might not. He said, we're just gonna suspend him for two games. Abilene Christian in Oregon State. Hey, it's pure comedy. It's pure there is no rules in the NCAA anymore. And here's the thing. That's why it reminds me of that because it seems similar to me how they're just like, well, look, we'll suspend James Pierce Jr. for two games. He only tried to run down his girlfriend because.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

Regardless of if he's not going to jail for it. That doesn't change the fact that he did this shit.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

You know that he did this shit. He literally manhandled like seven cops.

SPEAKER_03 42:16

Man, I don't like that, bro. I hate that. Like I hate I hate the Brandon Soresby shit. And my only issue with it is it's not that he has a gambling addiction.

SPEAKER_00 42:28

Right.

SPEAKER_03 42:29

It's the fact that he was gambling on his own teeth.

SPEAKER_00 42:34

He was betting for him, though. It doesn't matter if it makes you feel any better.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

That's better.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:40

But like, you know, I don't care as much. It changes the optics.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

Look, everybody's real mad about him betting on Indiana when he was there playing.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

Look, I'll see you. That's not what bothers me. You know you're a dirtbag when you are betting on pre-Kurt Sig Daddy Indiana Money Lines.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

100%. It's disgusting. That's a man that was sitting in practice and had a lot of faith in his dad.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

Hey, bro. And here's what here's another thing, too. Calvin Ridley got suspended. Was it like half of a season? Or was it a no, it was a whole year. Yeah, a whole season. A whole year for $2,500.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

They were gonna blackball Calvin Ridley, bruh.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

For $2,500. Brendan Soresby. They said he bet $90,000.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

It's an addiction. No, but look, that and you're over here like he didn't bet $90,000 on Indiana. Like the majority of it. The majority of the shit he was betting on is disgusting. He was betting on table tennis at three in the morning. He's betting on guy practice in the morning. European European basketball, Korean baseball.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

What are we doing? We've addressed this before. We gotta stop talking about European. Basketball and Japanese base, like the MPB and those bigger leagues in European, as like they're as that's bad.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

Because have you watched the Euro League? No, I haven't. You should. I okay, right. I get it. I'm when am I gonna find the time to sit down and watch Euro League basketball? You can watch it tomorrow. And to be honest with you, I'm not.

SPEAKER_03 44:24

I'm not gonna do that. Bro, I kid you not. I was having this conversation with somebody, bro. The I'm not saying they're better. The the games are much better than watching the NBA.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

Right, because they're playing hard. Like it's like playing basketball.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

They're not just fucking switch shooter three. These motherfuckers be damn near tackling each other.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

Right. I get it. The bat it's more competitive. Here's why it's disgusting. Here's why it's dirty. You want to know why? Because I can guarantee you he wasn't watching it.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

Yeah, who's watching table tennis?

SPEAKER_00 44:59

He had no idea who was playing these games. He is literally picking these games off of money lines.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

Yeah, facts.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

He's looking at money lines and he's being like, they're minus 325. It's almost a lock. Right. Why would I not take it?

SPEAKER_03 45:16

And getting sold. Oh, I've seen some disgusting work on the Euroball. I've I'll sit back and just watch some of that shit throughout the day just because I'd be bored. Like as I'm waiting to like, as I'm cooking up other shit, I'd be like, oh, let me see what's live and see what's here. Yeah. And if it's like, you know, it's one thing if it's like some teams like Real Madrid and Barcelona playing each other, like I would watch that and know about that. But I've seen like games from like fucking like the Lithuanian League. Bro, and I'll and I'll turn the game on just to see what this shit looks like, bro. And I swear to God, these people are playing professional basketball in quotations. I swear it's at the YMCA.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

Yeah, I mean it very well could be at the local YMCA in Lithuania.

SPEAKER_03 45:59

Bro, and these like would that surprise you? These people, bro, you watch is hilarious, bro. It's so bad.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

Like, I could be a bench player on one of those teams.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

I feel like I could go play for one of those teams.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Like I can be a guy that comes off and sits in the corner. Bro, no, you you could no, you wouldn't even have to do that.

SPEAKER_03 46:17

If you watch what the fuck they do, bro. I've literally seen these people just get the ball straight line and the three people throw up some absolute bullshit.

SPEAKER_00 46:25

You remember when LaMelo ball played? And it was was it Australia or New Zealand? It was like Lithuania. He was like 16 years old.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Before he was like, him and Liangelo went over there. And they were fucking killing. He was sick. Killing. You knew he was gonna be sick.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

But Lamello was actually nice.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Yeah, 100%. Still is.

SPEAKER_03 46:48

Yeah, you're a big Lamello guy. I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 46:50

He still is sick as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

Not. They didn't do no winning until Con Canuple got there.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

He's sick too.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

And Brandon Miller.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

He's also sick.

SPEAKER_03 47:00

I do have a night. Miles Bridges. Dirtbag. Really turned his image around somehow.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

Well, look, it just shows what success will do for you. Look, and here's here's here's some word of advice from me to Jonathan Cooper, Josh Jacobs, everyone else that gets caught with some domestic violence charge. If you're just good at your sport, people will forget. Look at Deshaun Watson. Man. He's having the OTAs of a lifetime, and people have forgotten that he is the dirtiest of dirtbags. Allegedly. Allegedly.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

And he settled a lot of cases.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

Personally, I feel like if it was me, if I'm innocent, I feel like I'd be able to prove that I was innocent. I'm not paying you a dollar when I can just prove that I didn't do this shit. Right. If I'm actually innocent, I feel like it would be easier for me to prove. But at the same time, I also feel like if I was on the other side, if I was those therapists, I would rather not have the bread and see him buried under the jail, getting treated, getting raped daily in prison.

SPEAKER_00 48:09

Yeah. There's definitely two sides to the story.

SPEAKER_03 48:12

There ain't no money that can erase trauma.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

They were like, look, we'll never get him, so let's get a bag.

SPEAKER_03 48:21

Could have got him. I mean, you got enough to get the bag. You got enough to, I mean, you know, 23 people.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

It just doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 48:27

If they got Bill Cosby after like 30 years, he's out. He got hit. He got he got it. They caught him.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

Yeah. Well, he was doing crazy shit though.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

I mean, he was just drugging them.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

He was slipping the biggest.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

I think it was Whippy Whoopi Goldberg came out and said it. They said, man, nah, everybody wanted them Quaaluds. He said he didn't have to hide it. He said he had to sneak it.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

80s were a wild time.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

I heard a bunch of crazy shit about Bill Cosby.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

A lot of shit about a lot of people in that industry, brother.

SPEAKER_00 48:58

They said that he was like a real dickhead too. He would go up to people and be like, you need to stop cussing in your act. It's not classy, meanwhile. He's fucking drinking. Classy.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Well, your cussing's good compared to what I'm doing behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

Imagine, imagine going up to somebody and telling them their set wasn't a classy set or it wasn't, it's not worthy to be on stage because he's cussing.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

He's probably like, How about you do this? How about you go take a sip of that cup over here?

SPEAKER_00 49:26

He looks at he looks at him. He looks at a girl and then tells a person he wants one of his pills. He's like, Can you go grab that pill for me? I think I'm gonna have a fun night today. Jesus fucking Christ.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

Jesus Christ, dude. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

Oh, that's funny. Last thing I really got is it's just a Titans thing, nothing major. Tell me. Robert Salah had some had some some good things to say about Cam Ward.

SPEAKER_00 49:55

This has you buzzing.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

Dude, look. I I've been a I've been a big believer in Cam. And just like I feel like the closer that we get to this to the season, the more I am like have this conviction that Cam Ward is going to take a massive leap in year two. Hey, brother. Look. I just feel like the work ethic, the determination, not only that, but how like even who was it that we traded last year to was it Baltimore? Was it was it Draymond Jones? Yeah. We traded him, and the first thing he said was like, Y'all got y'all one. Yeah. Like I see it. I saw it. Like y'all got one. Like how other people outside that were inside talk about him even after they left Tennessee.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

Like It makes you feel good.

SPEAKER_03 50:45

It makes you feel what'd he say? He said, he's well, he said, he said, I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna say it. He said, I'm gonna put myself out there. I'm gonna say, we got a really, really, really, really good quarterback. They said, when they talk, they were because uh there were some stories that had come out a bit about him struggling with some things. He said, well, he said, well, said he had like a rough two or three days ago. He said, well, you he said, well, Salah said you kind of like to see that because he's you know it's a new system. He's you know coming into his second year in his league. There's a lot of new pieces in here, new scheme. He said he's he's figuring out like what he can and can't do in this system. And then he's he followed that up by saying that but you know, I'll go ahead and I'll I'll throw myself out there with this. We he we've got ourselves a a really, really, really good quarterback. Yeah, you love it. You love it. And they've also said that Carnell Tate. He looks at all, I mean. I went back and started, I I wanted to even make myself even more excited. Went back and started watching some film on Mr. Tate, which I mean we I watched enough college football. I knew he was good.

SPEAKER_00 51:49

But boy, man. When he get when he got used, he was 100% affected. I can see him snagging on people. He I'm telling you, his the the things that you didn't like about him were things it wasn't it wasn't his athletic ability. You didn't look at him.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

I mean, it was really the speed, was my only thing.

SPEAKER_00 52:10

Yeah, but then you say that, but I know you watch that tape and you're like, he doesn't have a lot of things. He has it on field.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

Yeah, he has it on field. It's just like CD Lamb, like CD Lamb has similar shit.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

In pads, you watch him, you're like, this cat's not slugg.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

But that's the difference. I mean, I like we've had these conversations too. It's not it's not like we're at head over heels in love with the four-two guy. Right. But you know, we we want to see our guy be at it this way, four, four, two.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

Think about it this way: a four-two guy, even a four-three guy, what what works out more often? The four-five, four, four guy or the four-two, four, three guy.

SPEAKER_03 52:43

It's just it's just, but you also see with those a lot of those faster guys, they're one-trick ponies.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

This cat, dude, he can his routine. He's got the bat.

SPEAKER_03 52:51

He's the ability to separate, he can climb the ladder, he's got great hands.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

The only thing that you didn't love, like when you everything, like you could look at all the metrics. The only thing you didn't love was the usage.

SPEAKER_03 53:02

But yeah, and part of that comes, you're gonna get there's not a wide receiver on any team in the country, this year or last year, that was going to get more usage than Jeremiah Smith on a T.

SPEAKER_00 53:13

Buddy, there wasn't a team on the New York Giants that would have gotten more usage than Jeremiah Smith. There wasn't a player on the there's multiple teams in the league that there wasn't a single player on their roster.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

And people use that to like this Carnell Tate, and it's crazy because the thing I want to go say to these people is is look at them as prospects. Like you're talking about. If we go back, we can go back 10, 15 years, and you tell me a better wide receiver prospect than Jeremiah Smith is.

SPEAKER_00 53:43

Yeah, I think I said this before, but I his hype is like that of a like in a football world, like it reminds me of the hype that LeBron got.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

Yeah, bro. Like people are like thinking he's immediate day one top five wide receiver in the league. But like he can't And I don't think that. I feel like I feel like he's I feel like he might not be as good as what he's hyped up to be. And it's obviously that's just how high the spar is.

SPEAKER_00 54:10

I feel like you just I feel like you have a little bit of I feel like you're a little gunshot because you were a Marv guy.

SPEAKER_03 54:15

Was a Marv guy.

SPEAKER_00 54:16

And you feel like he's let you down.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Was a Marv guy, even though I I did prefer neighbors over Marv. You did. But I was a big neighbors guy. Still am. Get it twisted. But coming out of college, I I I thought that those were just two almost historically great prospects. And Jeremiah Smith's better in both of them.

SPEAKER_00 54:37

Yeah. The consensus says so.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

Like I like the only two, the only two wide receivers I can think of as a prospect in my lifetime, from the time I've no, I won't even say my lifetime, because now we're talking other talents. But since I've been in a big football guy, the only receivers I can think of that had anywhere near like the hype Jeremiah Smith has is Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones.

SPEAKER_00 54:59

Man, they were both sick as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 55:01

Like I don't, I can't think of another pro like Jamar. You taking Jeremiah Smith over him.

SPEAKER_00 55:10

That's isn't that crazy? That's crazy to say, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:13

Because a prospect. I mean, that's just find me one that you're taking alright and saying, all right, you got you're in college, you got Jeremiah Smith on the other side. Who you taking as your wide receiver one over him.

SPEAKER_00 55:22

Look, anytime, anytime Ryan Day comes out and says that he has one that he thinks is better than all the others, I mean, he literally said that about Jeremiah Jeremiah Smith.

SPEAKER_03 55:34

Yeah, people have been saying this about him.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

He said that he has one that's bad. I mean, the list of receivers that he has coached is Man.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

Well, not only that, and but you and the part of the reason why we feel so good about Ohio State receivers coming out is like, I mean, look at the like look at their coaching staff. It's just filled with NFL coaches.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

Well, it's unfortunate now because it's about the program's gonna start going downhill. Do you know why? Why they hired the Sith. Arthur. Arthur Sith.

SPEAKER_03 56:05

No, that's crazy, bro. AKA Arthur Smith. It's crazy. Arthur Smith didn't work out as a head coach, but he was nice as an OC. He's Arthur Sith. He's still an NFL coach. You're still getting better college than an Arthur Smith than you are damn near anywhere else in the country.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Don't hear what I'm not saying. I'm not saying that he's not a good coach. They're going there. Jeremiah Smith's stock's gonna drop because they're gonna be running the ball. I'm just saying that whatever tight ends on that roster is about to eat. Okay. He's a man that loves it. They got two of them.

SPEAKER_03 56:38

Two of them. He's a big two tight. He loves both of his tight ends.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Absolutely. He'll be running 12 personnel all season long. Man. He'll be running 12 personnel. Arthur Smith is good to ruin your fantasy production for whatever team he was coaching. Facts. He had that special innate ability. Man, Arthur Smith in Tennessee was special. Yep, we had a good year. We also had Derrick Henry. Special. Yeah, it makes it easier. He also got Bijan Robinson and didn't know how to use him. It's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_03 57:12

I mean, why would you use B. John Robinson when you got fucking. Tyler Algier. And Johnu Smith. And Cordell Patterson. Cordell Patterson. Who else did they have? Who's that other title?

SPEAKER_00 57:24

Dude, he was so impressive. He did have Johnu, Kyle Pitts.

SPEAKER_03 57:29

Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 57:32

Bruh, I'm telling you, why would you use Bichon when you could have Cordell Patterson?

SPEAKER_03 57:38

Or Austin Hooper.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

Austin Hooper. He was so impressed with Cordell Patterson. He brought him to the Steelers when he went to be the OC.

SPEAKER_03 57:45

Man, I didn't fuck with Cordell Patterson when he refused to, when he like turned into a running back and refused to not be like 85.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

Yeah, I dig it. I dig it.

SPEAKER_03 57:55

That shit was dirty.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

Well, brother, I don't got anything else. You got anything else? I don't either, man. Just I'm all in on Cam Ward. Shout out Cam Ward. I think we're I think we're both hype.

SPEAKER_03 58:07

All in on Cam Ward.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

I'm trying to like temper my expectations because I don't want to get too disappointed.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

I am too. I just feel like we're due for a big year. I know. Not wins and losses. Just in hope. I feel like he's going to look. I feel like we might lose some shootouts.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

You feel like you feel like the hope meter should be.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

I feel like he's going to have some big games. Like, I don't think we're going to see him. Like, I feel like, you know, he's going to have like a 30 touchdown season.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 58:33

I'd be happy with 25. I feel like 25 is one and a half touchdowns a game is not good to me.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

It's better than 16.

SPEAKER_03 58:43

I need my QB is throwing two. I need two a game.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

Yeah, I get it. It sounds nice.

SPEAKER_03 58:49

I need two a game.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

I'm with it.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

Or look, let him come come out and be like the sheriff. Throw four or five. Come out here and let me see the greatest show on turf again.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Hey, brother, everybody can dream.

SPEAKER_03 59:03

Hey, I'm a dreamer, brother. That's why I got like five projects this year. We started.

SPEAKER_00 59:09

Everybody enjoy the World Cup. Everybody enjoy the finals. Man.

SPEAKER_03 59:14

Next time we talk, the Spurs will be at the crib in five.

SPEAKER_00 59:18

Yeah, I guess we'll see. We'll definitely see next week. Next time we'll talk, Checkia will have scored the first goal of this game. We'll both cash the bet as well.

SPEAKER_03 59:28

So that's all I got, brother. As always, man. Like, share, subscribe, tell a friend. Help us grow the channel. Man. Help us be better. I swear. We have big dreams and we have a lot of potential.

SPEAKER_00 59:44

Man, we got some exciting things on the horizon. Man, things are things are gonna be coming. Couple months. We're a couple months away. We'll get to it when we get when we get all the stuff set up.

SPEAKER_03 59:53

Oh man, I forgot about that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:56

That will be dope. We're not gonna we're not gonna leak anything just yet. Nope. Holla. See y'all on the next one, gang.