JSN Got Paid & We’re Already Wrong About the Season

Jaxon Smith-Njigba joins the Bag Collection Agency and we break down the deal and what it means moving forward. Then we jump into way too early division predictions and lock in our AFC and NFC winners, fully expecting these takes to age horribly.

Transcript

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Back in the cave, episode 13.

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Live from the cave for the 13th time. Shout out Steve Nash. Shout out Steve Nash. One of my favorite point guards. Pavel Dotsu. You know who that is? Shout out Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy. This is an NFL podcast. Yeah. Pavel Dotsu. Shout out to all of the 13s out there.

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Yeah. Big 13.

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It's been a had a good week. You know, I got a little sidetracked. So, you know, episode 12 still isn't out at time of recording, but that's not that's that's my fault. I will take responsibility for that and I will be better.

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It's all right.

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It's all right. But anyways, we're back. It's not like not a whole lot. That's what to say. It's not like a lot's transpired here. No. So it's gonna be a different kind of episode. We're probably gonna get into like some predictions.

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Oh, we are absolutely gonna take some grades.

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We're gonna we're gonna have a hot take today. Someone is gonna have a hot take. You'll probably have a hot take. And keep in mind that the predictions are wrong. So I'm sure a lot of this is gonna be wrong in hindsight, but it's gonna sound good and confident, and we're gonna believe in it.

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But first, let's talk about there's a new member of the BAC. The BCA. Apologies.

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The BCA.

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The bag collection agency.

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Whew.

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They've got a new agent.

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Man. The Seattle Seahawks dropped an absolute bag on JSN.

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Yeah, 168.8? Was that what it was? It was a lot. 168.8. Four years. It's an average of like 42 something million a year. 120 guaranteed, brother. He backed up the Brinks truck. Yes, sir. What is your initial reaction? Yeah, I mean, you pay the guy. He's sick. I mean, does it close the window? Maybe. Do you pay the guy though? I'm on board. I'm on board with paying the guy.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, I mean, I, you know, you couldn't have played for me.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Yeah, you would have been able to talk him down.

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Man.

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You could have got him to the Alec Pierce number, probably.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

I want to say, look, we're gonna do, we're gonna lower the cap. We're gonna lower the contract, but we're gonna give you six fully guaranteed seasons. Okay. Your check will be 100% guaranteed, it's just gonna be less.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

He's gonna be like, I don't know why I would do that when there's a team, there's a team out there that's gonna give me fully guaranteed years and pay me a bag. Yeah, but do you want to win? What if he looks at you and was like, I've already won?

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Yeah, but you can get paid and win. He just won twice. We're gonna make it up in endorsements.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

Yeah, but he just won twice. He won two Super Bowls in one year.

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Yeah, I mean, which would you rather have?

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The bag or the bowl?

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The bag or the bowl. In a world where you can't have both, okay? We know he just got both.

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Yeah, he definitely.

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But in a world where you can only have one.

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If I had to have a bag or a Super Bowl. If I'm a competitive, if I'm a competitive athlete, part of me's gonna want the bowl, man. But look, if I'm being real, I'm only gonna be playing football for an X amount of years. Right. That's fair. So there's a good chance the Raleigh Jones I know, he's gonna go somewhere and take a bag.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

He wants to be a part of the BCA. I would love to be a part of the BCA. Man, and I just see, I just feel like my thing is in a world where you're already getting paid an absurd amount of money. You know, you can't sit here and tell me that you want to win and get the biggest bag possible. Because it's hard in a team in a CAP sport to have that. Yeah. The good thing, the argument. From a year in and year out.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

The argument that JSN would have, though, is he'd be like, I've already won.

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It doesn't really matter as much for wide receivers from a legacy perspective.

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Right.

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Get your bag, go put up your numbers, you've already won a Super Bowl. Yeah, that's fair. But here's the thing. You've look, you've been paid. If you come out next year and you get 80 targets, you can't bitch. We're paying you to do less.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Ooh, 80 targets would be tough.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

I mean, it'd be tough. I mean, you're from a team perspective, you're not gonna do that. But if I'm just saying, if he gets AJ Brown, and this is for any receiver that gets the bag, if you get the bag, regardless if it's from one team or another, you can't complain about anything football related. Losing, not getting the ball, not getting the ball. Like I would love to be a receiver like AJ Brown getting paid $35 million to you know go out there and fucking block all day.

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Like, yeah, what?

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I mean, maybe that's just the laziness in me of not wanting to work hard.

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I wouldn't love, I would not love the wind sprints. Because 80 targets, brother, you're running a lot of wind sprints.

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That's fine. You're getting paid a whole lot to run them.

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It's just a that man's an athlete. They're not even calling him a wide receiver.

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You gotta be the most team player. When you're gonna cripple your team by demanding this much contract, like much money in a contract from a I wouldn't say like a non-premium position, because it absolutely is, but it's like you can win with less. That's I mean like I don't I don't know how many Tom Brady won with less. I mean, a lot of people have won with less. More people have won with less at receiver than not. I mean, you've got your exceptions to the rule, but you know, that year, that year with Randy Moss. Me, man, and I don't even I don't even know how big his cap. I mean, obviously the cap's grown significantly since then, but like was it comparable?

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Is that what you're saying? Like from a percentage of the cap perspective. Right. Hey man, who cares? Shout out to JSN.

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Shout out JSN for getting bags.

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I never claimed to be a GM. I like when dudes get paid bags. You know who I like? You know who I like the most that when they get paid? Who? It's definitely the running back. I always want to see the running back collect a bag. Man. Regardless of who it is. Yeah. Like, who would you not want to see collect a bag? I want to see him get I want to Derrick Henry. You know how happy I was.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Yeah, but he's someone that absolutely deserves the bag. Man, Saquon Barkley. Deserves a bag. Absolutely. There's maybe like six of those guys. Todd Gurley. Yeah, absolutely. But he's not even in the league. Bijan deserves the bag. Yeah, but do you remember Todd Gurley collected the bag and then played Disappear Next? Well, he he had like degenerative knees or some shit.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

That's fucking man. I would want to collect the bag with the degenerative knee.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Yeah, but he couldn't play. So he was so sick. He was sick. Man, he was for the Rams.

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Oh my god.

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It would have been the sickness.

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Yeah, fuck. He quit at like 27.

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I think it was younger than that. Man. Bro, I think he's like just now, maybe 30.

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You know who I want to see collect a bag for the running back position?

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Who?

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Devon A. Chan.

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Well, fuck. I mean, they're gonna have to.

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They're gonna put my man in Siberia for a year.

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A year? How quick you think this roster's gonna turn around? That's true. I don't know. I mean, I guess you're taking the cap hit now, so.

SPEAKER_03 8:09

They're about to put a piss poor roster out on the field. They're gonna take the cap hit and then go right back and pay Devon Hit a bag. Two, three years down the road take another giant cap hit.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Man, to get rid of H Hand because they're gonna do something dumb at the quarterback position.

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They've already made their move at the quarterback position.

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And right, and exactly what I said it was. What would you classify that as?

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Dumb. Yeah, but at least they they, you know.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Bro, I'd rather have no quarterback than Malik Willis.

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Oof. That's tough. Hey, look, I mean, if I'm trying to win, like there's no, there's no world where it doesn't equal the same thing. Bro, there's just so much of a risk. Maybe having Malik Willis is not having a quarterback.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Right, but it's coming, you know, at three years or at two guaranteed years at like 20-something million dollars. Good for him. He collected a bag. Rather try to, I'm saying, I look, no disrespect to Malik Willis. I'm saying you take this Dolphins roster, I don't know if there's a quarterback that could win with this roster.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

Yeah, it's bad.

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So in the grand scheme of things, why am I wasting $20 million when I could just trot out quid you're that's true?

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You know what I'm saying?

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That is something I would probably do. But you know, nobody was better than Malik Willis's agent than going in there and be like, look, he did less with he did more with less.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Bro, he what did he do more with less what attempts? Yeah. Less everything. Yeah, less bro. Less starts.

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Bro.

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Less yards, less.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Who was it that got more money than Sam Darnold got what did he get? Was it like $20 million or some shit like that?

SPEAKER_03 10:04

What for his contract?

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Yeah, there was somebody that got signed for like $10 million. I don't know. And it was somebody, like not this, it was this past year, like going into last year.

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I don't know. I don't know. I'd have to go back and look.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

But anyways, bro, you're telling me that Malik Willis needs to be paid more than somebody who's at least, you know, played more football. Yeah, I'm not saying it was a good move. A lot of people thought, I don't like, I mean, he looked okay, I guess. Like, I don't I don't see like anything when I go back and look at what he did where I'm just like, yeah, this guy's got a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

Look, he's already I'll tell you what he is. I'll tell you what he is. He is two years of decent football away from getting an offer to the BCA.

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He's one good year away from getting bro. Let's just say he comes out and he puts up 4,000 yards. Oh, he will. He'll be there. I wouldn't even say he's gonna side a perpetual get a bag opportunity.

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He will be a goldman. 4,000.

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All you have to do is one time.

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If he touches 4,000 and 25, brother, he will the Atlanta Falcons will jump out of their seat.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Absolutely. They're just throwing darts. Them and the Colts just can't. Like, they just keep trying.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

Don't worry. The Colts have already sealed it up. They've already gave the you know a platinum member. They gave a platinum member, Daniel Jones.

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The bad dog. Platinum member. I just can't believe that they paid him. Like, I don't understand. He's gonna be back week one. No, he's not.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

If Daniel Jones is back week one. He's gonna be back week one. And this is where we're gonna start off. AFC South. Give me a winner. Justin Butler's prediction markets have opened. I'm on the clock. If you had to go and pick today, you gotta put your dinero. I'm going, I'm going with the Texans. Texans. That's that is that's funny because that was also my pick.

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It's just for me, it's like obviously it's between them and Jacksonville. Like I now I will say this. I think the Colts might have the worst record in the division. I think they're fourth. Like I see the fourth being the Colts, the Titans being third.

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It's funny you say that because I I think it could be Jacksonville.

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Why? I mean, I feel like it's hard for me to not sit here and say that Jacksonville's not gonna win the division.

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I'm not I'm not gonna sit over here. I would I know I'm not the biggest Travis ETN fan, but I'm not gonna sit over here and act like that couldn't be.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

It's Tootin' time.

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Yeah.

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A little tootin' there.

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I got Byshaw Tootin and Dynasty.

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Yeah.

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So I'd be okay with that.

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I feel like you make that move with ETN because you feel good about Bishaw Tootin.

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Like obviously, we're gonna have to see it on the field, but I think I think losing Devin Lloyd is uh is probably a pretty big loss.

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Yeah. You know, they're gonna lose a lot on defense, but I feel good about their offense coming into this year still, as far as like the pass like the passing game.

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The one thing about Trevor Lawrence had a good year. The one thing about their defense is they got a good D-line.

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So and and you and you now have full-time corner, allegedly.

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I think the top two pick. It just depends. Like if Daniel Jones starts the season.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

There's no way, bruh. There's no way Daniel Jones is the starting corner.

SPEAKER_03 13:53

Look, maybe it was a bad report, but I swear I've read that.

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That was a meme. There's just no way, bro. There's no way.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

It happened, what, week eight?

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Yeah, bro. Yeah. And you know, and look, you know how I feel about the Achilles. So if it was up for me, he wouldn't be playing at all, Nick.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

I heard George Kittle talking about the Achilles, and it's like if it doesn't, if it rips up top and not down by your heel, it's a lot better because they don't have to drill into your heel bone.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Oh.

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So because when they drill into your heel bone, it's like an extra recovery time. It's like an extra six weeks of recovery. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

So it you that doesn't move the needle for me. I mean, you're talking about six weeks in the grand scheme of it being a two-year injury.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Oh, he's stuck. Jason Tatum's out here proving it's not a two-year. He's also 26. He's also Daniel Jones is a part of the BCA, brother. They got great health care.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Yeah, the Jason Tatum thing's crazy. But I mean, in football, we see everybody come off the Achilles and it's a two-year injury.

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Yeah, I don't disagree. I'm just saying. I'm just telling you.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

His mobility's going to be severely impacted, and I feel like that was a big part of his game. Jonathan Taylor helps with that. They do have also have a good offensive line. But, you know, you pay Alec Pierce the bag. You look, you send Michael Pittman Jr. packing. Josh Downs. I hope you have him in fantasy. I like Josh Downs. I had Josh Downs. I don't I no longer have him. Not a huge thing, though.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

I uh I think the it's definitely to me. Who this sounds like a real fan take. I think it's definitely between Jacksonville and the Colts. I don't see the Titans finishing last in the division.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

I don't see them either. I I like what they've I just like the totality of what they've done in the offseason. I feel like they've gained more. The Colts lost some stuff.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

So let's go to the NFC South. The dirtiest division in football. I have no idea, bro. Come on, no, we're not gonna do that. It's so hard to do. You're the prediction.

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It's so hard to look at that. I'm just gonna I got a prediction. I got one. I feel like you're about to go with the Saints.

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I am.

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He likes Tyler Shuck.

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He put it on tape. He did look good on tape. He looked good. There's nothing to suggest that they're gonna take a step back.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

And they got. Did you know that his name, he said, did you see where he said his name was actually pronounced? A-chan?

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Yeah, yeah, Travis E. T.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we're not calling it.

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I mean, it makes sense it's A-chan.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

That's some Louisiana shit. Yeah, absolutely.

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But I mean, yeah, I can I can see the Saints doing that. Like why you see that way about the Saints? You know, they they might go receiver in the draft. I like I like this. He got Olave back. Tyler Shubbin's.

SPEAKER_03 16:57

Kellen Morton seems to be a good coach.

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Seems, yeah. I mean, they looked a lot better. I thought that was gonna be the worst team in the league last year.

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And they played. And I was wrong. They did lose a big piece on defense, though. Man, I don't know. Two big pieces.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

I don't know if I'm just being dirty with this or if I truly believe it or not, but I'm gonna go with back to back, the Carolina Panthers.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Oh, I see. I had a feeling you were gonna say the Panthers. You like Bryce Young.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

No, it's not that I like Bryce Young. One, it's funny. One, it's funny.

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It's not funny.

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Because it's it's BY9. No, and like the reason why I can't say it with more confidence is because of Bryce Young, bro. You just never know what you're gonna give with him.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

Yeah, no. He has an altered ego.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

Yeah. It's it's like with mouth but running, it's kind of like Kyler Murray, where he just has these massive moments and then he just does absolute dud the next week.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

On paper, their defense should be sick.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

Yeah, they invested a lot. They attacked free agency.

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On paper, they should have one of the better defenses in the league.

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You got Tet coming in, you know, Kenny Pickett, small hands back up. Traded Andy Dalton for Chuba Hubbard.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Who's a good running back? Um they got Chuba coming back. You have I don't know. And uh Jonathan Brooks. Yeah, I don't even know if he's worth mentioning.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Man. I mean, that's I thought I had a steal getting him in the waivers.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Dude, what a tragic story. That is so tragic.

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He was nice, man.

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What could have been it's not over yet, but buddy, he's gotta go.

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He's gotta go. Yeah, you know.

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Let's see, where else you want to go? Let's go NFC East.

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See, that one's gonna be. I feel like the NFC East is gonna be interesting.

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It will be interesting.

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Jaden Daniels is coming back.

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He did you see the flag football game?

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Yeah, but it's meaningless to me.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

That was crazy. The fact these NFL teams were like, yeah, go out there and play some bullshit. I was over here, I was over here watching Jaden Daniels. I got nervous every time this motherfucker started running with the ball like, man, man, chill out.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Chill out. Yeah, they came out there and they got the fuck beat out of this.

SPEAKER_03 19:21

Yeah, they did. That team USA team's sick.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Yeah. Oh, dude's better than Pat. They should probably put him on the field. I mean, his IQ's so high.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

You know how bad those NFL players wish they could have just laid his ass out. Oh my god, bro. Hey, you can see that shit, dude. Luke Keekly looked like he tried to grab a flag, but he was like, buddy, I'd fuck you up right now.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

Man, did you say the NFC East?

SPEAKER_03 19:46

The NFC East.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. Man, look. This is actually gonna be surprising for me. All right. I'm going with the Dallas Cowboys.

SPEAKER_03 19:57

Oh, that's so funny. I thought I'd me too. I'm actually I'm going with the Cowboys too. I thought you were gonna say, I really thought you were gonna say the Banders. Nah, man.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

I'm not.

SPEAKER_03 20:09

I wasn't especially when you said it was gonna be surprising.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Look, bro, the commanders, the commanders are fitting the which Jaden Daniels got hurt, but I've been saying it. When you see these quarterbacks that have that pop early in their year, in their that rookie season, and everybody starts kissing their ass. Now, you know, we we go back, we regress to the meet to the mean, and we see that you know y'all are who y'all say y'all are. And you know, obviously the quarterback's a huge thing, but they look terrible.

SPEAKER_03 20:41

They didn't look great once. The defense was awful.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

You're right. And so, you know, I expect that to be better, but like, you know, you don't love that Terry McLaurin's a year older, Debo's a year older. You don't what are you doing at running back?

SPEAKER_03 20:53

You at Debo's not gonna be there.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Like your O lawn isn't great. They said they signed your defense is terrible. Who'd they sign at running back? Um, I don't know. I don't I don't remember seeing anything.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

They signed somebody at running back.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

No, nothing that we talked about.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

It was some, yeah, it's because it was some bull. Look, this is how it reacts to it. It's some bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

Who is it?

SPEAKER_03 21:14

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Oh, I thought you were like looking off. I'm about to find out.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

David Blau came out and said that Terry McLaurin was a guy that's gonna receive 10 targets a game.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

I mean, he should. But is he going to? Good news for Terry McLaurin. Well, Zach Ertz is gone, gotta be right. You would think, especially with signing Chig. Yeah, I'm looking at their signings, and none of them are offensive linemen. Or what about a running back? Jerome Ford and Yeah, Jerome Ford, that's who it was. I think they're still gonna run with I'm still gonna run.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

They signed Jerome Ford. What a needle mover.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Hey, I mean, he was kind of productive in Cleveland. Yeah, that's fine. When Chubb got hurt that first year. I mean they they did they did attack the defensive side of the ball.

SPEAKER_03 21:59

So I Tell me why you like Dallas.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

One, they've continued to improve on the defensive side of the ball. I like them going and adding Kenny Clark. I mean Rashawn Gary. Or Rashawn Gary, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

You still got Kenny Clark. Didn't they sign an edge rusher?

SPEAKER_03 22:18

They signed I want to say, yeah. But they also went and got Justin Thompson. It's a good safety.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Yeah. So you miss the defense.

SPEAKER_03 22:28

They made some good moves on defense.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

And we'll s the I mean we'll see about what they do with George Pickens, but I mean, I'm looking at it from the perspective of George Pickens is there.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Javante Williams, you know, if he replicates what he does, you still got Jake Ferguson. Some people, not me and you, but some people think Jake Ferguson's better than Brock Bowers.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

That's yeah. You know, I'm glad that's not our take.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Thank God. But, you know, so you got Jay Ferguson. I like him. You obviously you got C D Lamb. So the weapons are there. We've seen what the offense is capable of doing. I mean, I don't love Philly.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

They lost a lot.

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They lost a lot on defense. Their quarterback is Jalen Hurts. You never know what the fuck Nick Siriani's gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

You know, he might shave his head. I uh he might fight somebody in the crowd.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

Who you think finishes last? The Giants. Oof. You don't think you don't think John Harbaugh can come in and have so people are picking them. So there's a lot of people picking the Giants to go worst to first.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

Yeah, I mean, and I can see them potentially we I can see them winning. I just, you know, I just think Philly with well, pending AJ Brown. Right. Because if AJ Brown's on the roster, I mean, you know, he still adds something to it. I mean, I expect their defense to still be good. I don't think it's gonna be as good as it was. I think AJ Brown probably gets traded come draft. But if yeah, I I think I read a report saying that he was gonna get traded in June. Yeah, that would make sense. For like a cap thing. But I mean, I just look at the rosters and it would either be between the Giants and the Commanders for me.

SPEAKER_03 24:17

Finishing last? I get down with that.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

I I just and I would give the edge to the commanders just because if I'm saying if quarterbacks are healthy, I still think Jaden Daniels a lot better than Jackson Dart.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

I mean, I do like Dart, but I think that that's gonna be one of the better divisions in football.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Potentially. I think that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

I expect I expect Dak to have a big year.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

I think me too. Well, he always does it in the regular season. I mean, the thing with Dak is always gonna be like you gotta do it when it matters.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

Right. Alright. Let's go. This is probably the toughest one to call, in my opinion, but let's go NFC West.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

NFC, you think that's the toughest? Yeah. I don't know, bro. I think the NFC North is. NFC West, I'm going with the game. I think we're probably going with the same team. I think I'm going with the Rams. I'm also going Rams. Yeah. I mean, it's tough. Because I mean, if if they're healthy, yeah, over here collecting infinity staff. The Rams, you got Stafford, MVP, fresh off an MVP. I mean, you got a man that's about to break JSN's record like as soon as he they offer him a deal. Oh, yeah. So you got an absolute dog. You've got Devontae Adams still, Kyron Williams. You've got that defense, which I mean, even though they fell off at the end of the year, I'm a big fan of Jared Verse. They added McDuffie and Watson.

SPEAKER_03 25:51

Their defense should be one of the best.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Yeah, I don't love the fact that they don't care about draft picks. I don't understand how they have the salary cap for all of this.

SPEAKER_03 25:59

Maybe they're just not good.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

Maybe they're not good at drafting. I mean, you can't say that. That's true. They drafted Kyron Williams, Jared Verse, Puka Nakua. Yeah. Like a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 26:12

Yeah, but these are all later round picks.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

I mean, when you don't have first round picks to draft early, like, what are you supposed to do?

SPEAKER_03 26:19

That's true. Maybe they just feel better. They're like, we can just we're better at finding diamonds.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Sean McVay. His guy. It's like the it's reminiscent of how the Patriots used to be back in the day. I uh we get our guy in the fourth.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

I don't think we'll have to discuss much about who's gonna finish last in this division. I think we both know who's gonna finish last in this division. The Arizona Cardinals. They're fucking terrible.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

I think that all three of those teams are bro. It's it's crazy to think, dog. All three of those teams can make the playoffs again.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

Yeah, for sure. I think the San Fran team's gonna be better than people expect, too. They always say that unless they finish four and twelve. It just depends. Yeah, the only way you finish four and twelve is if Christian McCaffrey gets hurt.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

Man, and and you and you look, you know that they're gonna have to sacrifice some shit. Yeah. Oh they've got in Mike.

SPEAKER_03 27:14

Mike Evans has two good weeks in him.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

He's gonna be gone for eight and he's gonna come back in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_03 27:20

Yeah, bro. Mike Evans, he's in the first two weeks are probably gonna be incredible. I mean, we're probably gonna see eight target. No, fuck that. We'll probably see eight receptions, one sixty-two, and two.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

I've got a hot take. All right. I don't yeah, well, I don't even think it's that hot of a take. I would have rather have paid Juwan Jennings.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

Than Mike Evans? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Maybe for the consistency factor, but he was also the familiar aller the have being familiar with it.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

Yeah, but he only had what he had like six, he had like 600 yards last year, seven touchdowns.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

I don't know. Juwan Jennings is a good receiver. I just think it's I don't know what I expect Mike Evans to be.

SPEAKER_03 27:59

If he's healthy and he's still the same guy, you're gonna get a thousand-yard receiver.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

Did you see that the Bucks GM came out and said that they offered Mike Evans significantly more money than Sam Fran?

SPEAKER_03 28:13

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure the whole thing was I don't know if that's a true report. I was thinking that he was like, I'm gonna let these guys shine. They got like so many young cats.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

I don't think he w wants to, he's tired of not winning. He got that one Super Bowl. He likes to win. He did, he did what anyone who would want to come play for a winner like me, as a GM, would do.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

He took less money.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

He took less because he cares about his tape. He's got his bag. That is true. Yeah, he's already collected a bag. Yeah, but I mean, you know, that's that's look, getting an Alec Pierce one-year deal, I'd rather pay Mike Evans one year 30 million than Alec Pierce. Uh you know, it's Mike Evans. It's a Mike Evans. Who's better? Who's better right now? I like the youth. I'm betting on youth.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

The youth doesn't matter. Who's more who's better? I'm betting on youth. It's who's better today?

SPEAKER_01 29:09

Probably maybe Mike Evans, if healthy. So, and my contract is for one year with Mike Evans. That's all we care about.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

Yeah, I made that argument for the Titans. It's actually a surprise the Titans didn't sign somebody old to come back.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

I don't think the Titans are in the position to make a move like that for a Mike Evans. We should have win, we should go get Tyreek Hill. No. Hell nah. Tyreek Hill would be a fucking demon in Nashville.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

He'd be out there. He'd beat the shit out of some girls. Be bad. It'd be so bad.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

It'd be insane, dog.

SPEAKER_03 29:46

Bro, let's go. Let's go to what I think I don't know if it's I guess it's probably the toughest. There's an argument that there's there's three different divisions that you would consider tough to choose. The NFC North. Oh, that's so tough. Who's your prediction?

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Go on with my brothers look alike. Mr. Williams. Caleb Williams. Look, bro, I told you. I haven't changed my style. You remember the take that I dropped about who's gonna be my MVP? Caleb Williams. Part of that is winning the division, buddy. Alright. Who do you like?

SPEAKER_03 30:21

I dude, it's I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy, but I kind of like the Lions. And I'll tell you why.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Because Dan Campbell's a dirtbag.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

Well, they win guy Drew Petsy. All right. Who one, I think's a great fit for the offense. Yeah. Two, they're gonna be playing a fourth place schedule. Oh man, yeah. They get a they get a fourth place schedule. Now, granted, you still got six games in the division. Right. But I mean the rest of it's gonna should be, you know, should be pretty easy.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Yeah. But I mean, I can like I don't like I don't see them going like two and four in the division. Yeah, right, me either.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

I don't I don't see that either. I you know, they could easily I mean they could easily with a loss to Minnesota in Minnesota and a loss in Chicago.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Like I can see that. Like I I mean I see why you like the Lions. I mean they you I mean they do got the Sun God. They got Mr. Gibbers.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Yeah. Now picking last is what's gonna be hard. Not picking who's gonna be winning.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Oh nah, picking last for me, it's the one with nine.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

He's not gonna be the quarterback. It's the one with Kyler. I get it. That's probably who I'd pick too. I want to I want to say, I want to say Green Bay, but it's it's probably not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

Man, for me, it's just like when I look at those teams, it's like, man, the differences is like outside, I'll say outside of the lines being the exceptions, because I mean, you know, golf, ooh, it's it just depends on how you feel about golf. You can make the same argument that he's the best quarterback in the division, and he's also like the worst. I mean, well, I think he's better than Kyler.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

I do too. It also depends on how many domes he plays in in a year.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Right. Well, he's got at least eight.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

Yeah, right. Well, he also he also gets Minnesota. It's a dome. There's nine. Yeah. So it just depends. Like, if he gets to play in a dome more often than not, then there's a good chance that Jared Goff's gonna have a great year.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

I like Goff.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

He's great in a dome.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

I mean, they got those offensive weapons. You still got Aiden Hutchinson, like the defense gotta has gotten to be figured out.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

Yeah. They just, you know, you just there's a couple things you know about the Lions, then they're gonna go play, they're gonna play hard.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

There is no quit. And they're gonna be dirty. And they got a guy that looked like they got a guy that maybe kidnaps people, pistol whips them. I can get down with that. Yeah. We always are gonna cheer from people who are savages. And look, Jared Goff's, if I'm not mistaken, Jared Goff's probably in the the BCA.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

He's yeah, he's gonna get a bag. Yeah. He's gonna get another bag for sure. For sure. As long as he keeps playing at this level, he's gonna keep getting a bag. Alright, alright, alright. Alright, AFC West. Go. Broncos. Mmm. You like the Broncos? I mean, I'm only gonna ride with the Broncos because the defense? I just don't know. The pending the Patrick Mahomes week one status.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Could I interest you into the Los Angeles Chargers?

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Yeah, you can try to sway me on it, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

I like the Chargers. Why? I see. I know why you picked, I know why you picked Denver.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

I mean the defense, the coach.

SPEAKER_03 33:49

Yeah. Yeah, Bo Nick's year three. It gave him more weapons. Right. Yep. You know, you didn't necessarily address running back, but J.K. Dobbin should suffice.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

And RJ Harvey might still be holding out hope on him. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. I mean, in the draft is the first time. It makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

The Broncos makes sense. They're probably I don't know who's the favorite because I haven't looked, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were the favorite. Alright, so why do you think the Chargers? Let me hear it. The Chargers. That offense, this offense is going to be dynamic. Why do we think that? It's absolutely because we saw what Mike McDaniel. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, last year. Who was their offense according to Greg Roman. That is fair. G-Row. You have Greg Roman. He was a lifer with Jim Harden.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

So you're big, you're big on the Buddy.

SPEAKER_03 34:49

If Mike McDaniel can go in there with Tua Tungava Loa, aka Tua, turn the ball over. AKA Tua two yards. Alright. If he can go in there, and he made the playoffs, what, three times? Twice? I think it was only once. Was it once? Who cares? He made the playoffs.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Maybe it was twice. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

Brother, Tua had what? Tua had like 4,000 plus yards one year. Yeah. Did this offense, he's got as good of a running back. Maybe not as good. He's got a good running back. He's got good weapons on the outside to work with. He's got what I think both of us would consider an elite quarterback.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

I don't whoa, whoa. I don't nah. You can stop me at elite.

unknown 35:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

I'm not putting Justin Herbert as an elite quarterback.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

A top 10 quarterback. Yeah, yeah. You have a top 10 quarterback. We would both agree that he is somebody that's better than two of us.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

He's probably yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

Well, I've I mean, you know, he's got a fucking rocket. I mean, Justin Herbert's nice. Yeah, he's nice. And he's mobile.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

He's getting the best offensive coach he's ever had. Yeah, that is also with a bunch of weapons around him. I didn't even mention a Ronday Gadson. You like the emergence of him?

SPEAKER_01 36:09

Yeah, absolutely. Mike McDaniel loves a good tight end. I think my concern, I think my concern for the Chargers offensively is what is the ceiling for like Lad McCockey? This is what is the ceiling for Quentin Johnston? What is the ceiling for Trey Harris? Keenan Allen's not there.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

So if you don't, this is the problem. If you don't believe in Quentin Johnston, then you gotta think that if Quentin Johnson's not the guy, then Trey Harris has to be. That's what to to be your your ex, your number one.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

Yeah, I mean they also think.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

Like Lad McConkie is gonna be most useful in the slot.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:53

Not saying that he couldn't be a number one out of the slot, but it's just it's better if you have a weapon on the outside. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

And he's no I'm in Ross St. Brown.

SPEAKER_03 37:01

Right. At least not yet. And if it because I don't think he will be.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

I think that's what my concern for them is. I don't think Ladd McConkie's ceiling is much higher than the other.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

I don't necessarily disagree with that. But what I will say is if he was gonna get to the ceiling that some people might think that he has, could which could be that, it's gonna be with a Mike McDaniel. That's fair. It's not, it would never come with a Greg Roman.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

That is true.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Like, I think that, but not only is the offense gonna be significantly better, like their defense should still be pretty good. You're also gonna get two of the best tackles in football back. You absolutely address the interior offensive line as well. Like well, here I got you got a great blocking tight end and Charlie Kohler. I know we didn't talk about that in free agent signings, but the dude's an elite blocker. Everything says that it's gonna be the same offense that was ran in Miami, but with much better weapons. Maybe not much better weapons, but a better quarterback for sure.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

But they lost they lost Jesse Minter, who we were calling, and we were saying that that was what made the Sparkers defense great and how great of a hire that was for Baltimore because of the mind that he is, you know, that could almost be just as big as a subtraction on the defensive side as the Mike McDaniel addition was on the offensive side. Maybe so.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

But the one thing about Jim Harbaugh is he's always been good at finding coaches.

SPEAKER_02 38:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

So you just gotta have the hope. You gotta have the hope that he's gonna fill that position with somebody that he thinks can be just as good. But that's why.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Yeah, but some of the things with Justin Herbert, too, is I don't he just doesn't have that big, he's not like a big moment guy.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

No, he's well, look, chill out. He's got a little Dak in him. Yeah, but his comes up in the regular season, too. He's got a little Dak Prescott in him. We we we know of the disappearing act that he pulls come playoffs.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Yeah, but I mean, I'm talking about even in moments in the like regular season. I think that you could see that change. Well, you think just Mike McDaniel's just that I do think that it's a good factor offensively.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

I do think that it could have that big. It could be. It could be a good offensive corner. Can for real make or break.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

Their offense was already a good offense, right?

SPEAKER_03 39:28

But look at look at Jalen Hurts with Kellen Moore, and then look at Jalen Hurts with Kevin Petula. These are two different players.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Yeah. Okay. I mean, look, like I think the Miami Daniel thing is gonna be a big impact on the offensive side of the ball. I just think that there are question marks that you're not looking into. And when I compare that to Denver, like one, I liked I personally like the continuity. I like the paying the players that we're keeping around here versus going out and sending our people that produce for us packing and then paying somebody to replace them, giving somebody else a bag. Cool. You keep the you got the familiarity with the system, you've got you know the chemistry there that continues on. I mean, we're talking about you know, maybe some better weather weather conditions away from them playing in a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

That's true. And in a quarterback injury.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

Yeah, well, look, the steady really let me down.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

Right. But you know, part of that could have been the inclement weather. But I mean, Bo Nick's definitely has made me turn around how I feel about him. You know, I don't know how high his ceiling is, but with Sean Payton, I you gotta think it's gonna be higher than it could be something.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

Hey, it's not Sean Payton anymore. It's Davis Will. He's turned over the play caller. Well, you know, he's still gonna have his input. I don't, yeah, he'll have concepts. All right, so I think we look, we'll we'll we'll move forward. I don't think I think neither one of us are wrong. I think it's just our predictions.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

Yeah. I can see that I mean I can see the Chargers finishing third if the Chiefs are back. Yeah, me too, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 41:13

I can see the Broncos finishing third.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

I'm not as high, I'm not as high on the Chargers as you are.

SPEAKER_03 41:18

With that being said, I think we both know who finishes last.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Unfortunately, for Ashton Genty.

SPEAKER_03 41:25

It's it's the Raiders.

SPEAKER_01 41:27

He may be in hell.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

He may be getting Breeze hauled. We got we got two more. We got two more. Alright. All right. We'll go. Let's just go AFC North. I want to save. I want to save the. I'm gonna let you go. I'm gonna let you go.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

I'm gonna let you go.

SPEAKER_03 41:45

AFC North, you wanna let me go first?

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Yeah, because I'm about to get dirty.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

I know who you're about to say. I already know. It's disgusting. I don't even know, but I know. I gotta go Ravens. I gotta go Ravens.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

I feel like that's a pretty easy answer, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:03

Yeah, it's I think it's the chalky. It's probably it's probably it's probably the Ravens by quite a bit, if I had to guess.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Trey Hendrickson, you like you like that, you like that sign in. Yeah, the Lamar, Derrick.

SPEAKER_03 42:15

You get two first round picks back.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:19

Yeah, I get it. Yeah, you really traded, if you think about it, like you really traded Max Crosby for two first round picks and Trey Hendrickson. Pretty much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

I mean, there's no reason there's I mean, that was a good move for me. I would have look, I would have rather have signed Trey Hendrickson. If Trey Hendrickson would have been a serious, if it would have been like, okay, we're gonna talk to Trey Hendrickson, Max Crosby wouldn't have even been an option for me. Because why would I want to? I would want the picks. I'd rather have the picks. I mean, I wouldn't have signed it. It's really a fleece by Baltimore. Yeah, they were like, nah, we're good. Didn't nobody want Hendrickson? We're gonna go get him. Y'all can have his back. Oh, by the way, his knees fucked up, so y'all can't even trade them anywhere else. It's like, fuck y'all. Not only are we supposed to be real dirt bags. Look, we didn't like look.

SPEAKER_03 43:08

If you're the Raiders, though, you're not that bad. I mean, look, it wasn't wrong. Like, you got the you went out here and paid a shit ton of money, and you get to keep Max Crosby. Hey, if it works, it works. You feel great about it.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

Yeah, I mean, look, if the Raiders, you know, you made all those moves. I feel like you know, you make all these moves, and it's like, oh, okay, this is where we're about to be. And then now you're telling me you get Max Crosby on top of that. Yeah, their defense might be nice. Right. Uh I wouldn't go that far. I mean, they made a lot of improvements for sure. But it's the Raiders. It's the Raiders. Uh who you going? I'm going with I'm going with. I know it. It's the Biggest. I put them on. They're on there under the most pressure, dog. I put him on the list, bro. It's it's Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals, dog. He's look, he's Something in the skyline chili. Cheese. He said, I'm done with it. He said, I don't want no more fucking sugar in my chili.

SPEAKER_03 44:09

You were just saying to me today. You were saying to me earlier today that when you pay a receiver a crazy amount of money, it kind of shuts the window.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

That's the difference between I didn't hold on, hold on. I didn't not say anything about that.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

They didn't just pay one, though.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

Pay them two. But you got a bad motherfucking quarterback getting them the rock. And here and we're not paying. Would you I'd rather well look who would you rather? T. Higgins or Alec Pierce? Yeah, I'd wanna you. If you're gonna pay Alec Pierce, you can pay T. Higgins too. And I'm paying Jamar Chase too. You're talking about the guys.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

Don't hear what I'm not saying. I don't, I think they both deserve the bag.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Right. But you know, these are one-hit wonders we're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 44:53

These are fucking look, and they've made a couple moves to address the defense. Yeah. Sign to safety.

SPEAKER_01 44:59

I just think it's the time for Joe Burrow. I feel like the pressure's on him, and I feel like he's about to come out here and he's gonna do what he did two years ago. Well, I guess the year before last. Yeah, same thing. And he's gonna do that shit again, and he's gonna overcome the defense, isn't gonna be that bad. It can't be. Like at some point, the defense has to get better.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

We don't need them to go from the 30-second defense to the first. Like, we just need him to go to 20. The problem with the bigger.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

The problem with that is this is the problem with that. Is they and it's not like they haven't drafted defense.

SPEAKER_01 45:39

Right. Because they have. And really what they need to get terrible at. They need to get Zach Taylor out the fucking paint.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

Yeah, they kept him.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

The man retain him and they keep giving him the off the strength of Joe Burrow getting hurt. Like he should have been fired after Joe Burrow had an MVP season and y'all missed the play.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

They had a chance to go get a John Harbaugh. Man. They had it solid. They could have won him down solid.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Ron Dayball is their head coach.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

Yeah, they had a chance to go get a couple decent coaches.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

Yeah, but I mean, look, uh, they're under so much pressure, it just feels like if they don't do it this year, they're blowing everything up. Like, I really feel that way.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

Yeah, like every everybody could be gone.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

I mean, like, no, like seriously. Like, we might be trading Chase, Higgins, Burrow, coaches out of here, like full-blown rebuild. The only thing is is they'll be able to get a fuck ton of ammunition with all of it.

SPEAKER_02 46:36

Right.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

And I can see that being a thing because their fucking ownership is so cheap. They're like, we're paying all this money for us to lose. We might as well put some of that dust back in our pocket. You know what? And still be bad.

SPEAKER_03 46:50

I actually like the argument. I don't necessarily think I would I might put a flyer bet in on it. You gotta get good odds, right?

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Oh, gotta be. The odds gotta be good. But I mean the Browns, uh like the Browns are gonna be bad. Like, are we I feel like I feel like we thought the Browns were gonna be I want to choose the Steelers as the worst team.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

And it will just depend if it if it ends up being Will Howard. Man, I might take the Steelers as my last place team.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

I I feel like I feel like it might take a year or two before the Mike Tomlin culture that's been built in that locker room just dissipates.

SPEAKER_03 47:27

Falls apart. You don't think TJ Watt, TJ?

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Like, you know, they're just not gonna allow themselves to just go have like the standard's still the standard, guys. We gotta win nine.

SPEAKER_03 47:37

Yeah, the safe bet's definitely picking Cleveland. That's what I would do. I would pick Cleveland to finish last.

SPEAKER_01 47:43

I mean, I think that you're still probably gonna have a losing record. Like, I think they're finally about to fall off. I don't know if they're gonna hit the biggest. It just depends.

SPEAKER_03 47:51

Like, if you bring in the bag, you got two bag men in contention for the job. If you bring either one of them in, there's a good chance you're there's a good chance you could finish nine and eight. Which two are you talking?

SPEAKER_01 48:03

Are you talking about Kirk Cousins and Hookers? Aaron Rodgers. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah. I thought my mom was going somewhere else, but I don't know. Russell Wilson? No, no, no. He's a part of the crew. We've we've made it this far.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

He's a platinum.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

I don't want to, I don't, I can't. I'm not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 48:18

Derek Carr.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

Oh, he's in it again.

SPEAKER_03 48:24

13 appearances. No, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

We are Derek Carr fans now.

SPEAKER_03 48:29

All right. Last but not least, unless you got something else.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

No, I'm good on the I'm good there.

SPEAKER_03 48:35

Nothing else. Last but not least, the AFC East.

SPEAKER_01 48:41

My boy's coming back to take his throne back.

SPEAKER_03 48:44

It's Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

It's Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

We're absolutely in disagreement.

SPEAKER_01 48:50

All right. I'm kidding. You think so?

SPEAKER_03 48:54

No. You think it's gonna be the Jets?

SPEAKER_02 48:57

The script says it's the Jets.

SPEAKER_03 49:00

Yeah, 100%. The script says it's the Jets. I don't think the script's real, and I'm not picking Gino Smith. It's probably the Bills. I want to choose the Pats, but I don't think they got any better. If they end up, if they end up making the move for AJ Brown, though, I would probably do that.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

I think the thing for the Pats is I think they did get a little bit better off. Like, I mean, they I mean the digs for who do they get at receiver? Nobody. No, they signed up. Romeo Dobbs. Yeah. You know, that's I like Dobbs. Yeah, that's fine. And I don't think that moves the needle. I think their biggest growth, their biggest improvement's gonna come from just like, you know, their young key players. Like, I think Trevion Henderson's gonna have a massive year next year.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Maybe, bruh, but the way that fucking the way that Mike Frabel uses Ramondre Stevenson.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

Yeah, but you can see like surely to God, he's evaluated as much femme as I have this offseason. It's not a ton. But like surely to God, he can look and say, man, this offense can be more explosive if we just got Trevion Henderson more involved.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

He's like, but Mondre. Oh man, those fumbles.

SPEAKER_01 50:06

He said, I just I have to have something that I can get pissed off on the sideline about. I'm not gonna bench him. He said, I need him to do something bad so these people know that they can't fuck with me and I'll rip their head off.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

That's something that doesn't make much sense to Mike to me with Mike Vrabels how he did Treyvon Henderson.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Bro, but he's done that. He's always done that, bro. But he used to go trot out fucking Mason Kenzie like religiously and NWI. Loved him in National.

SPEAKER_03 50:39

He's gotta feel sick as fuck that our boy Jack Gibbons signed with what the Hawks man. Or the the the Falcons, I mean. Man. He's gotta be sick. That was his guy. His guy. He had Jack Gibbons anywhere he was.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

That's so funny, bro. So so you so you think it's just like it's it's probably the Bills.

SPEAKER_03 51:04

I'm I'm gonna choose the Bills.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

See, I think we're choosing the Bills, bro.

SPEAKER_03 51:08

Fucking hate. Dude, I fucking hate the Bills, dude. I I don't hate Josh Allen. I think Josh Allen's the man. I like James Cook. I think he's the man. I fucking hate Joe Brady. And I fucking hate Brandon Bean. I think they're both fucking losers. I do. I do. I don't want them to win because of those two. I think Josh Allen deserves the world.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

Well, then say that you want the Pats to win.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

I don't believe it though.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

I mean, there's evidence to believe it. I think the biggest thing for me is like my faith in the Pat isn't just because of their roster. I think the biggest thing for me is them not winning the division, is purely off of the fact that they're going from playing a fourth place schedule to a first place schedule.

SPEAKER_03 51:50

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 51:50

Like that's gonna make a huge difference. You're not playing the Raiders, and they lost to the Raiders, but you're not playing the Raiders and the Titans and you know, all these just I think that that makes a huge difference. So, yeah, I mean they had the softest schedule in the league. That's obviously gonna change.

SPEAKER_03 52:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

The Bills, I mean, you know, just getting Josh Allen a capable guy.

SPEAKER_03 52:14

I will say this about the Bills. Their defense should be worse.

SPEAKER_01 52:17

Yeah, but I mean, it doesn't matter. I don't care. It doesn't matter. When you have Josh Allen, I don't need you to have a great defense.

SPEAKER_03 52:25

When you have a guy like him, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 52:28

I mean, you got somebody that can overcome it. Yeah. Josh Allen's gonna take your team and whatever. If your defense is playing great and he ain't gotta score a hundred, okay. You want me to just milk this clock? Okay, we can do that. Do I need to go out here and score 40 tonight? Okay, I can do that. What do you need from me?

SPEAKER_03 52:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

When you have a guy like that on your team that can do whatever. Like, you I don't care if their defense goes from twelfth to twenty twentieth or from the fourteenth to twenty-ninth. Like when you have a Josh Allen at quarterback, like we've seen him do that before. So I don't see any reason why their defense getting worse, like, changes like the ceiling of their team.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

Yeah, and you picked up DJ Moore.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

Yeah, and that's a that's a big addition.

SPEAKER_03 53:39

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

You got Shakir still.

SPEAKER_03 53:41

Yeah, their offense should be really good. Now, who's gonna be worse is gonna be interesting. Oh, it's not. Who do you think is gonna be? You think it's gonna be the best. I can tell you the team that's gonna be playing the last place schedule. Alright. And it's the New York Jets.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

So you think they're gonna be better than the Dolphins?

SPEAKER_03 54:03

Absolutely. I do think they're gonna be better than the Dolphins for sure. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 54:06

You think the Dolphins are gonna be the worst?

SPEAKER_03 54:07

They're the fucking absolutely. They're terrible, brother. Shit, bro. The Jets at least got Gino.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

Is that better?

SPEAKER_03 54:15

Like Look, Gino can take you to the promise.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

The thing about Gino that he's got going for him is that the script writers have said they've spoken. They said, We're gonna throw a little green in the logo. You said that you didn't write back yet. Someone who isn't an expert predicted that you had to finish the story. This is true. So, what do you do? You go to you go to New York, the script writers listen to the pod, and they said, Damn, this dude's on to something. That would be fire. And they're not a big pod yet, so this would just be like something.

SPEAKER_03 54:49

No one would ever believe them.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

And then we you're right. And then we just boom. This is the evidence. It was this episode right here.

SPEAKER_03 54:58

We'll absolutely sue the NFL if this happens.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

Y'all owe me some money. We got movie rights.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

We'll absolutely sue the shit out of them.

SPEAKER_01 55:09

Yeah, I mean, I agree though. I mean, I think it's gonna be interesting at the bottom because I still think the Jets are a bad football team, man. But like, I mean, there's just no reason why. Like, in reality, in my head, anyways, like, I don't think the Dolphins should win a game. They certainly shouldn't, at least any game this season be favored. They shouldn't be favored to win a single game.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

No, there's no way they they won't be. The there's not their roster tells me that they're the worst team in the NFL.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Bro, I feel like that we might be looking at one of the worst teams like ever assembled. Yeah, I can't go back that far, but I will at least say in since 2000.

SPEAKER_03 55:50

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

And we've seen the with the Lions go Ofer. We've seen uh was it the Browns that went O for two? I think so. I feel like this Dolphins team is worse than both of those. I mean, outside of Devon Achan. That's fine. They were terrible. That's fine, bro. Outside of Malik Willis and Devon A. Chan, can you name me five players on that roster still? Like, like you know five people clearly, but you can't just be like, oh yeah, he played for the Dolphins now.

SPEAKER_03 56:26

Yeah. That's tough. I yeah, I think we're in agreement. That's a lock.

SPEAKER_01 56:32

Like, they should not win a game. That's a lock. The only game on their schedule that should even have a three-point spread or less is should be the Jets.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

Let's do let's do two more things. We'll do them pretty quick. All right. Who wins the NFC?

SPEAKER_01 56:50

Man, that's tough. That's so tough.

SPEAKER_03 56:55

You want me to go first?

SPEAKER_01 56:56

Yeah, I'm gonna let you go first.

SPEAKER_03 56:58

I'm going Rams.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

He just can't let go of Clifford. I can't. I feel you, bro, because I've picked the Rams two years in a row. I can't. I just dude, it's hard not to.

SPEAKER_03 57:13

It feels like they've made the right moves. It feels like there should be no reason for fall off unless injury. And I'm not betting that injury will happen, so I'm going Rams.

SPEAKER_01 57:23

Man, okay, I can see that. Man, I'm on the spot, bro. I'm going to say I can't, I really can't fucking believe I'm saying this, but I'm rolling with the Chicago Bears.

SPEAKER_03 57:40

Hey, it fits the narrative. Dog.

SPEAKER_01 57:43

It fits the narrative you're seating. I really think that Caleb Williams is about to come out here and have a year. Year two under Ben Johnson had growing pains early. Yeah. Colson Loveland really fucking turned it on.

SPEAKER_03 57:59

Luther Burden turned it on.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

Luther Burden turned it down the stretch. I think Adunza is about to have a massive year. I see, if healthy, a 13, 14, 1500 yard season for Adunza. Maybe a 10 touchdown year. I like the running back duo of Moninga and Swift. They made some improvements on defense.

SPEAKER_03 58:24

Losing your center hurts, but you replaced it with a very respectable. Centers are very crucial.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

I mean, yeah, but we're talking about a center, bro. I'm just saying it's crucial. I don't know if a center is the we're looking at it like that. Yeah, I mean, so yeah, I think that's a rhyme with Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson. I like him. He's just a dirtbag. He is a dirtbag. If they don't win it, it's a it's pretty good. It's gonna be because he did some dirtbag shit to lose the game for him.

SPEAKER_03 58:59

100%. 100%. I dig it. I like it. I don't I don't mind the bears pick at all, actually. I don't mind it at all. Alright, AFC, who you got?

SPEAKER_01 59:10

Well, that's gonna be a good one, too. I'm rolling with my guy, man. My fantasy quarterback. Both dynasties. Who's leading the charge? Caleb Williams in one, Josh Allen in the other.

SPEAKER_03 59:28

You think you're gonna be able to do that?

SPEAKER_01 59:31

I mean, like, look, I don't, I mean, you did this for something. You did all this for something. You signed off on Joe Brady for a reason. Right. They got DJ Moore for a reason. So your your offense should be better, right? Your offensive line, good one. You got James Cook, top ten running back. You've got Khalil Shakir, and I mean, I say Khalil Shakir, like he's great. But DJ Moore, you know, like you've got some you've got some weapons at receiver now. I still believe in Dalton Kincaid. Like you've got some pieces on defense. My boy's coming back from injury.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:14

I would like, I wouldn't mind the narrative. I wouldn't mind the I wouldn't mind Josh Allen getting his. I wouldn't mind him getting to the Super Bowl. Or, or, you know, and if not them, I can't die that far on the hill.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

You can't, you can also can't pick two. Okay, I'm gonna roll with the Bills. Uh Bills, Bears. Bills, Bears. Well, I gotta throw Cam Ward in them. I think the Titans are gonna win the Super Bowl because I'm a fan, but I might go crazy. Yeah, I'm not gonna sit over here and say that, but you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:45

I think my pick might surprise you.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:48

Especially for as hard as I trotted out Justin Herbert and the Chargers. He's about to say all right, let me hear it. I like the Broncos, man. I do. I absolutely do. And I like them for the reasons that you named. And they have an elite defense. Look, you've definitely lost some pieces, though, that could be a little bit concerning, but I don't I don't know if it really matters. John Myers Franklin. Yeah. That's a that's a that's a big loss. I I think they could probably feel it though. That defense was so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

Man, you still got Benito, you still got PS2.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:28

Yeah, your your your defensive line's still pretty good, even with the loss of John Michers, John Franklin Myers.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:34

Yeah, I mean you're gonna draft, you still got some draft. Yeah. So you got a good offensive line.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:40

I like going again, Waddle. Yeah, yeah, one of the best offensive lines in the league.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

Yeah, I think that Jalen Waddle signing is gonna be a like a sleepy or trade's gonna be a sleepy great trade.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

It it absolutely could.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

If he's healthy, that's gonna be like a massive.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:54

He can be dynamic. You've seen it before.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:57

You've seen it. I yeah, I think if Bo Nicks can take the step in year three, I they they could be they could be the team coming out of the AFC.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:05

Who do they who do they beat in the AFC championship game?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:11

Give me the Jets. No, I'm playing. Uh, he's not playing. I want to see the Ravens. Oh. Yeah. I think if Lamar can get there, I think that he can lose. I think he can lose in the AFC championship game. I just, ah, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:35

Okay. I like it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:38

I like it. Alright, man. How you feeling? I got one more that I want to throw on there, which I mean, mine hasn't changed. We got, I mean, if we're gonna do, you know, who's winning the AFC and the division and stuff, we might as well, you know, who's our MVP? Who's you I already know who your MVP is? Yeah, my yeah, I've already got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:55

Your sign still delivered Caleb Caleb.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

I've already, yeah, I've already delivered that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

I uh that's a great question. I think if I'm going off of what I believe you're not gonna like this. It's about to be dirty. It's Justin Herbert.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:18

Okay, so so so so this is what I'm hearing. All right. From this pod, here's my takeaway. Right. You think that the Chargers are about to come out here and go like 14 and 3. Yeah. Joe Burr or Justin Herbert MVP season. So like close to 45 to 5,000 yards, 40 plus touchdowns.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:40

I could see it. Yep. And they're gonna come out here shit to bed in the playoffs. With the first game they play, Justin Herbert style. Four picks. Man. Turns out he they they've maybe fixed regular season. Can't fix that though. He's he's got a little Dak Prescott in him. I give you one better. You know who? You know who you know who plays in the NFC championship game against who did I say? Against the Rams. You don't even know you're the three yard up there. I said the Rams. You know who plays against the Rams? Who? The Dallas Cowboys.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:13

Dak Prescott wins a game.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:16

That's right. That's right. Cowboys fans are elated.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:19

He's coming in strong. Okay. Cowboys fans are elated.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:23

They get to the NFC Championship game, they're back, and then next year, the year after the year that we're about to have, they're bad again. Typical cowboy behavior.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:34

That's fair. You know, if the Cowboys made it to the NFC Championship, this would be it would almost be like a milestone thing. You know, that's something we've never seen, you know, in really in our lifetime.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

That's correct.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:49

You know, you when I tell you who's in my who's gonna play in my championship game, you're gonna be like, you're really dirty. Right? Let's hear it. In the NFC, not as bad. I'm going with the 49ers.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:02

Okay. Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:06

And in the uh AFC, I'm gonna be dirty, and I don't know. I I don't have a reason why. I'm going with I'm going with the Prince and Trevor Lawrence.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:18

Oh and he's and he's going to take them there. And not only do they make the playoffs, but I mean, they make the AFC championship.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

Look, and my prediction on the division could very well change before like when I say I'm very close to them winning the AFC Sound.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

Okay. It only took one good year.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

I like I mean, you know, he had that crazy half a season.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

And then the next year they were like eight and three, and then he got hurt.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:53

Yeah. That's true. And then this year he came back and they were

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

Were great.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

They were. I think Liam Cohen's a great coach. You know, dirty.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

That's how we need to. That's how we need to end it right there. Man, we haven't dropped a motivational quote on the pod in a while. Do you have one? No, I don't. It's fine because I have one. Alright, let me hear it. Do you do you well? I mean, how do you want to? How motivated do you want to be? I want to be motivated to put a parlay in that's gonna hit. Yeah, a basketball parlay? Anything. I mean, brother. Okay. Here you go. You ready? I'm ready. Life doesn't get easier or more forgiving. Man. We get stronger and more resilient.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:51

That's fair. That's hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:53

Steve, and I'm not gonna try and produce say his last name because I can't. Shout out to you, Steve. Shout out to Steve. You're probably not listening, anyways. Nope.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:02

We're gonna shout you out, anyways. Yeah. As always, shout out to y'all for hanging with us for episode 13. We're gonna keep grinding. We're gonna keep going. Share it. Like it. Subscribe. Tell your friends. Man. Look, shoot us a text. Man. There's literally a link in the pod. It does say shoot a text. You can just say, man, Justin sounds like a fucking idiot. I can't believe you think Caleb Williams is gonna win, is gonna go into the Super Bowl. I can't believe you think that's the MVP. Whatever. Talk some shit. Whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:41

Let him know about it. Yeah. My skin's thick. Don't let don't be mad when I come out here and fry your ass on here, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

We might flame you. Anyways, as always, this is episode 13. We're not experts. I'm Justin. That's Raleigh. We are out of here. Let's do it. See y'all on the next one.