The Salary Cap Is A Myth

NFL free agency has officially arrived and teams are throwing money around like the salary cap doesn’t exist. K9 lands with the Chiefs, Alec Pierce gets the bag in Indy while the Colts somehow trade Michael Pittman, and Malik Willis cashes in with the Dolphins. The Panthers pay Jalen Phillips big, the Raiders reset the interior O-line market with Tyler Linderbaum, and the Titans start stacking defenders. Geno Smith even finds time to beef with Wendy’s before getting traded to the Jets. Free agency is already off the rails.

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We're back again. Live from the cave. Episode 11.

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Man.

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We're really climbing the ladder up here. Talk to them.

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Just wake up. So on episode 10, we came in and said we had breaking news.

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It's almost like when we get the pod, we might be becoming like a two-day delayed breaking news segment. Well, guess what?

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We got more. And it's about the same news that we broke. It's not broken. It's insane, dog. It was actually never true. It actually fits the model of our podcast quite lovely.

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It turns out the people in the front office also aren't experts. Man. Because they were wrong. They said, hold on. Now that we've thought about it, we don't want to trade for a 29-year-old Max Crosby. I don't know what happened. I think we got leaked. I think we got leaked because we haven't even put out episode 10 yet at this point of recording.

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It's okay.

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It turns out they hacked into my iCloud.

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It turns out they were listening.

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They said, you know, two first-round picks for a 29-year-old defense defensive end or well, edge rusher. It's kind of steep. It's steep. They heard me say that this class had like six, seven first-round projected edge rushers.

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Or, or hear me out. Max Crosby said, Hey, the Raiders went and made some moves. I think I want to come back. Said, you know, Tyler Lindenball is a big one. He said, I never wanted to leave the Raiders in the first place.

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Man. He said, I told y'all I wanted to be a Raider for life. He did say that. Maybe it's because he likes running up and down the sideline saying, Raiders.

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He also went to the city of Baltimore and was like, ugh.

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He said, turns out the crab isn't actually that good.

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He's like, I had a lobster roll. And I wasn't impressed.

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I was not impressed at all.

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He was like, I can go to Caesar's Palace and get the same thing.

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He's like, I don't know if you've ever been to Vegas, but they have everything there. Everything you can think of. And they have prostitutes that are legal. Is he married? I don't know.

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Probably not. Even if he he probably is married and he went to the city of Baltimore and was like, this doesn't seem like a great place to raise a child.

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He didn't want people wandering around calling people all kinds of crazy slang or anything like that.

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What'd you say earlier? You said Lamar took he took Lamar took him to his house. Hey man. He went and saw the stadium. He's like, damn, bro, this place is. He didn't want to play. What is it?

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The bank? He said, They didn't want to play at the bank.

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He said, This is trash.

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He said, now that I think about it, Derrick Henry's kind of old too.

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The one good thing that Baltimore does have going for them is they got good uniforms.

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They also have a first round pick this year.

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They do have their first round. I bet they take the.

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I just wish I knew more details of like what actually went down.

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Yeah, it's it everything that we say from this point forward is in fact pure speculation. Because the man Adam Schefter did report that the Raiders have no further details other than that the Ravens have backed up.

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I mean, maybe they don't really owe us an explanation as to why they did it. Because guess what? It wasn't processed transaction. We had only agreed in principle.

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Yeah. But what if this shakes things up? What if Linda Baum's like, you know what? The Ravens have the money to sign me. I want to go back to that hellhole.

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Do you think Max Crosby gets traded somewhere else?

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I don't know. That's a good question. Would you give up two first-round picks for Max Crosby?

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Nah, and I feel like, you know, now, like the Raiders' bargaining point is like, well, Baltimore gave us two at first, so you're gonna give us two first. And they were like, nah, Baltimore also said that is a little too much.

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Yeah, what a crazy thing. Has this ever been?

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If you look at non-quarterbacks that have been giving up two first round picks for, you know, you think about Khalil Mack. He was 25.

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Yeah.

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And that was steep. It worked out. Didn't win shit. He was still a dog. I mean, you got Sauce Gardner this year, but yeah, it's too early to tell on that. But, you know, there's a few other ones on there, but I mean, Max Crosby's 29. Like that's from a business perspective, two first round picks is a very steep price for a for a 29-year-old. Yeah, if you're looking at the NFL player period. Any non-quarterback, I don't want to give up two first-round picks. You're closer to the end of their prime than the startup.

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I get it though. Like it was a move to go all in.

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It was, but I can tell you what though. A lot of people were saying before this happened that, you know, is Baltimore the Super Bowl favorites? I don't think so.

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Well, I can tell you who's not the Super Bowl favorites now.

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It's definitely Baltimore Ravens.

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It's definitely not the Baltimore Ravens.

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What if they were like, hold on, Cleveland said they let us get Miles for two firsts?

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Ooh, yeah, I would trade three firsts for Miles. End division? That'd be wild.

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And Joe Burrow gets to live to see two more weeks.

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Yeah, dude. Well, I bet he's relieved.

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He's happy.

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Did you see Jamar Chase? Did you see what he said about it? No, he's probably ecstatic too. He was playing Call of Duty when the trade happened. He was like, what the fuck?

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They didn't let this man get Max Crosby. He's like, what the fuck?

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Yeah, no, I feel him. That would have been my reaction to it. Yeah, scary. It's scary hours. Not no more. Would have been. I don't know what happens. In my lifetime, I've never seen this happen.

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Anything I can recall. Yeah, nothing I can recall. Like I've seen like free agents.

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Back out of the city.

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Like back out of a deal and go sign somewhere else.

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It just makes me think something like that's gonna happen.

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Yeah, I I just wish I was a fly on the wall.

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Oh yeah, you would like to know.

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Yeah.

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You would like to know. Really, to be honest with you though, like I don't know. Maybe it's just free agencies wild these days. Because I mean, there was I mean, day one of free agency was nuts. Berserk.

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There's a lot of a lot of teams that made a lot of moves that I like.

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Is there a specific deal that you want to get to first?

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Yeah, actually, yeah. It's it this might be and I might get proven wrong on this, but I'm willing to die on the hill that Alec Pierce may be the absolute worst free agent signing I can of all time. It might be bad. That's gonna be that could be a really bad.

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Yeah, because I'm here to refute that. And it has nothing to do, it has nothing to do with that I think Alec Pierce deserves the money or not. That's not what I'm I just think it's not the worst.

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What's w I mean what could be worse than that? I don't know.

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Signing a guy that's caught 23 passes for 400 yards and giving him 23.5 million dollars guaranteed. That seems worse.

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They gave Alec Pierce like 84 million.

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Guaranteed. Guaranteed. Shout out to the bag man. Look, I can't hate on a man that can go and collect a bag at a high rate. Because I want to be a guy that collects a bag at a high rate. Shh. I want to have one good year and be able to go back and be like, hey man, it's time for me to get paid, brother.

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It's gonna be real expensive.

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He's like, so what I've caught 40 passes. He said, What you're gonna do is you're gonna assign me to a historic deal. Four years, 116 mil, 84 guaranteed, and you're gonna go trade Michael Pittman for nothing. You're gonna go trade him for nothing. You you will get nothing. And you know why? Because I'm gonna catch 70 passes.

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I feel like it's just gonna be an instant. Here's the thing about Alec Pierce is like you look at the numbers and it's like, yeah, he had a career year at 47 catches. Like he's a big play guy for sure. You have the big play capabilities, but I want that and a player that I can involve with. You know who else has big playability? Jamar Chase. Yeah Puka Nakua. Oh man. All these guys that I can roster.

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You think you think you think you think Alec Pierce just collected a bag? Wait till JSN and Puka have their say.

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If Alec Pierce is worth damn near to is worth 29, was it 29, 28 and a half million dollars a year? God, JSN's gonna get 40.

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I swear. I swear.

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Puka's gonna get 40.

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Dude, their bags are going to be incredible.

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And part of it's got to do with the salary cap inflation, but there's just they that money shouldn't be going to an Alec Pierce dog.

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Part of it is he's making he's making more money.

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He's making more money than a top five wide receiver. Give me the name. He he's a champion in fantasy. Dynasty champion.

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Assuming he's on your unit. He's on my unit. Who is it? It's Amon Ra S.

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Brown.

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Yeah. Yeah, like I would I would definitely pay Amon Ra before I would pay Alec Pierce, but that wasn't on the table.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Right, I'm no, I'm saying. I'm saying, are you are we in what way are we going into negotiations? If I'm an NFL team, I'm not walking into negotiations and saying, yeah, we'll pay you 29 and a half million because due to market conditions. I that's fine, I get it. I would sit over here and say, Alec, you we'll pay you this contract if you can give me a matter of fact, I was gonna start and say five. If you can give me one good reason, other than the salary cap went up, that you should be paid more than I'm in Ross Ayn Brown, no questions asked, I'll pay you the contract.

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He made one hell of an argument.

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No, it's it probably wasn't an argument to be had, but like, man, we should be looking back. Here's my thing Titans signed Wandale Robinson for less than 20 million dollars a year.

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Yeah, it's like 19.

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I mean I'm just saying, look, you take the how you get it. Production is production. I've I've said that for years. Right. Look, a thousand yards, cool. Wandell had a thousand. He also had 90 catches.

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He did.

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You want somebody that's gonna do may do that every every now and then, or you want somebody that you can be involved? I'd rather have somebody that can give me so many other different ways on a channel.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

Like you're saying that, you're saying that, but he'll he'll definitely he'll be he'll probably get 120 targets next week.

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In what world is he a wild it will he? You you got to? You have to. You traded Michael Pittman, but he's gonna have to have they vacated a bunch of targets. He's gonna have to be more than just a deep threat, though. I think that that's possible. I don't know. I'm just not a big thing.

SPEAKER_04 11:25

The tape on Alec Pierce looks good.

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I mean, when I watch him play football, I don't come away like, oh my gosh, this is a $30 million a year receiver. Yeah, but you also there's a lot of there was a lot of players that got signed to contracts that you would be like, and you know, and here's the thing when you see these people pay the overpay these wide receivers, regardless of if you like them or not, how often do they work out? It's true. Like, how often do you go sign the contract for a wide receiver and it's the biggest wide receiver deal and it worked out? I mean, did it work out for no no like historically four years, 94 million dollars? Has it worked out there yet?

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But you know, a lot of that's the loser tax. Did it work out for Christian Kirk? No, well, no, no, it didn't.

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Like, who is it worked out?

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One good year.

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Who has it worked out for? Nobody because the ones because the ones that are good enough to get paid by their team that kind of money, they get paid, they they get paid by that team, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

And Alec Pierce got it, but that you're that it's the Colts, bro. It's well, I mean, yeah, it's definitely the Colts.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

That's a horrible, that's a horrible thing. I don't agree with them paying in that much money.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

I do like Alec Pierce, though.

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Regardless of how you like him, you don't like him. You like him not that much. You like him as a third-round pick making five million dollars a year. Do you like Alec Pierce as your wide receiver one? Well, where do you rank him? Not even amongst period, because we know that there are wide receiver twos all over the league that you like over Alec Pierce. Where would you rank Alec Pierce as the wide receiver ones in the NFL? You wouldn't. No, no, you have to. At $30 million a year, you're a wide receiver. He would be the last one. And you're and why are you why would you pay somebody that?

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I don't agree with it. I don't agree with it. It's good for the top of the transition tag. You couldn't do that because you already used the transition tag.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Well, Daniel Jones wouldn't have been an option on my team to get translated. I'd rather have no quarterback than no than Daniel Jones.

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Look, it makes sense though, because Alec Pierce heard that Daniel Jones was asking for 50, not 30. They went and offered Daniel Jones a similar contract to what they gave Sam Darnold in Seattle. He said, Look, that's a little bit disrespectful, don't you think? How about 50 mil a year?

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What have you done to even? I mean, what is Daniel Jones realistically doing? You see what happened the last time Daniel Jones got the bag?

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And look, you know me. I've always like I've always been on the side of Daniel Jones. I've never said he was great or anything, but I've always been a Daniel Jones fan. If I'm the Colts, you know what I'm doing? Walk, brother. You can walk. I'm gonna go sign Kyler Murray for a million dollars. Man, yeah, absolutely. And I'm a real man.

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I'd rather have Kyler Murray at 30 million or whatever. I'd rather $50 million before I would Daniel Jones.

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Yeah, but that's the thing, is you're not gonna have to pay Kyler Murray at all.

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Yeah, he's already got the bag. He's already got the bag. It's just like Atlanta going and signing Tua. There's no reason not to. Even if Tua's a backup, why not? Why not pay a million bucks for somebody that somebody else is paying 55 for? Just to have them.

SPEAKER_04 14:35

What a crap. That's a bad deal, too. That's a worse, that is a worse contract than the Alec Pierce deal. I don't care. Alec Pierce can have 17 years would be a better contract.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

But quarterback contracts like that are just detrimental. That's why you don't make those decisions. Like, that's why you don't be paying quarterbacks early. Like everybody, year two, year, year three, they have that one good year that's just like, oh my gosh.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And even in those years at their best, you can still clearly see the difference between them and year three and the best.

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Well in the league. Guess what? I got some more breaking news.

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All right. Let me hear it.

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I know why the Ravens have backed out of the Max Crosby deal. Medical concerns. Oh, arose during the physical.

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Mmm. Mm-mm-mm.

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Yikes. Yikes. They will definitely not get two first round picks.

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It looks like he's gonna get what he wanted.

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Not only, not only did they say no to the deal, but they just tanked his draft value. I mean his trade value.

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They're gonna come back and be like, you know, after that, we'll take them for a third. We'll take the flyer for a third.

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There's no way a team, there's no way a team like the Bingles would be like, that's what the Bengals should do. Why the Bengals weren't the people trying to make this trade? Because, I mean, the Bengals are cheap. This is ridiculous.

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And because here's then the defensively, that I mean, the money that they'd have to pay to take on that, all that kind of stuff. I mean, you you'd be better off signing eight free agents.

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Well, we now know why Max Crosby.

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And after that, I feel kind of validated. You know, a 29-year-old edge rusher, two first round picks. He did just get shut down for the season.

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Didn't he have a surgery? I don't know. I mean, a lot of that though is the tank. I'm not putting much stock in that. You know what I think happened? What happened? Just, you know, my conspiracy mind goes crazy when I hear something like this. We do love a good conspiracy. Like a failed physical. You know, makes me think he called his agent before he took the physical. Say, hey man, what what's what's my odds of being able to go back to the Raiders? I don't want to do this. He's like, I mean, I guess you could just fail your physical. He's like, easy enough. I don't know.

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Well, I don't know what is what a physical is in the NFL. Me either. Yeah, what was he maybe not conditioned or maybe? You know, what what what could it have been? We could probably find out what in the physical entails. Maybe, maybe it's real injury concern. You know, and then at that case, yeah. But you're talking about a guy, has he ever like has he ever been he's never been injury prone. Not that I not that I can remember off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_04 17:20

Yeah, like he's always been fairly healthy.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Yeah. But it you know, that was then. He's 29 now. He's still like in his prime. Yeah, but how much longer is his prime?

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Statistically, saying it should be 32.

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So you got three years, you're gonna give up two first-round picks. Hey, man, at least. Two people who could be, you know.

SPEAKER_04 17:45

Hey, if they won the Super Bowl in those two years, you would say it was worth it.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

It is worth it. You're right, yeah. I mean, I did somebody. We got more news right here. Tariq Woolen goes to the Eagles. How? How are they even cap compliant at this point?

SPEAKER_04 18:00

The Eagles. I mean, they did lose most of their defense. To the Raiders.

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I mean, they still not Jalen Carter just got paid. Who cares about Jalen Carter? Jordan Davis just got paid. Or yeah, Jordan Davis, not Jalen Hurts.

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Highest paid nose tackle in NFL history. Yeah, he's nice. I said Jalen Carter like a dummy.

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But shit, I mean, you got Jalen Hurts making 50 something, you got AJ Brown making a check, Smith's getting a check, say one's getting a check. J.

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Brown's all but gone, probably. So you're not gonna have to worry about that, the chances are.

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They're restructuring. They said Jalen Hurts, you're actually a $20 million a year quarterback. How do you feel about taking a little less?

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Dude, Jalen Hurts would be like, I'm all in. Facts. He would be like, I'm all in.

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Does this meme or Jalen Hurts strikes me as the guy personally, he'd be like, you know what? I I will I should do that because you're right.

SPEAKER_04 18:53

Howie Roseman's one of the best GMs in football.

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He's not, he's like a freaking snake oil salesman.

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He's a savant.

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I don't know. He's buttering people up. The fact that he traded AJ Brown for only traded a first round pick for him. And then what is it, three, four years later now?

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He's like we're trying to get more than what we gave up for four years later.

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And his numbers have went down every year. And he got, and he's almost what is he like 28, 29 now?

SPEAKER_04 19:24

Yeah, absolutely. He's gonna he's gonna get a good return out of it. Like look, you want your receiver to have a little bit of diva.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Look, you want to be reading a book on the sidebar. That's that's cat activity. Nah, that's hoe activity. That's cat activity.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Nah, he just he's him, he's nah, that's too much dog for real. He's just like, bro, I'm so hot. Like, we winning. I'm so mad I ain't I ain't got no catches and a touchdown.

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We up 30. I'm pissed about it.

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He's really like, oh, look, we got our Super Bowl. It's really about numbers now.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Bro, it goes back to it goes back to what my man said we won the Super Bowl, and I just thought that was gonna be so satisfying, but it's not like my joy is just cooking somebody. I want to see a DB spirit leave. That means more to me than like winning it on.

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He's definitely a man about the stats.

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It's a it sounds real I.

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No team. He's the guy, he's the definition of there ain't no I in team, but there is an imminent.

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Absolutely. Absolutely.

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He's a hundred percent that guy.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

Alright, so today we're just basically gonna I'm gonna run through a list of team players that have signed to specific teams, and I want to hear some feedback from you.

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Alright, I want to hear some feedback from you as well.

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The real savant. Justin Butler.

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Called it.

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How'd you feel? Kenneth Walker went to the Chiefs.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

I like that. That wasn't where I think you were thought you were about to go.

SPEAKER_04 21:10

Where'd you think I was going?

SPEAKER_01 21:11

I thought you were about to go, something I highlighted on episode 10. I believe I said that there was a man who was going to go somewhere where they I think the term was they wrote me off, but I ain't right.

SPEAKER_03 21:27

We're not bringing that. This gotta be later in this episode.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

I'll save it because I gotta we gotta came on to the Chiefs.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

Yeah, let's do some serious news first. Let's do real news first. Let's give the people.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

That is real news, bro.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

It's real news, but it's not real news at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Bro, we still got people here.

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Yeah, we don't want to lose the audience at the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Hey, the people that are gonna stick through this, shout out to y'all because y'all are gonna love Gino.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

I still gotta find somewhere to bring Derek Carr up. He did it.

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That ain't a reunion.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Bro, canon to the Chiefs. I like it. K-N to the Chiefs. We were just talking about how we like they gotta get one of them ones. I'm pretty sure we said. I mean, it was a I feel like it's an obvious move. You know, Pacheco's out of there. You haven't really had anybody that's been the guy, you know, this past season. And it really goes to show like having a guy like Kennet Walker, one, you got Pat coming back from a torn ACL, so you get a little bit more of a security blanket.

SPEAKER_04 22:35

Facts. He'll be instrumental.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

And in that situation, like he's looks to be a workhorse back in that room. So, you know, you got somebody that can be effective receiving the ball somewhat, the run-in abilities out there. You add that, Kelsey's coming back, you know, might have to get another receiver if my boys, you know.

SPEAKER_03 23:01

For she rice crashes out before the season.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Yeah, so you know, I I like it for them. You know, they lost a lot defensively. They also got a lot of draft capital. I like, you know, having the ninth pick in the draft. They're set up to where if Pat comes back healthy, they're just right back.

SPEAKER_04 23:20

Yeah, I think so. The the the most telling stat for me that I I think it's a good move. I uh they were last in miss tackles or forcing missed tackles. Yeah. And Kenneth Walker was numero uno.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

That's a big so I you know that's a game changer.

SPEAKER_04 23:39

Game changer, yeah. They they've needed a running game for a couple years now, and I think that they got it. It'll just it'll really determine what they do to bridge.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

And the good thing for Kenneth Walker, too, is he goes to a situation where he doesn't have to be, you know, a superstar running back.

SPEAKER_04 23:58

But I mean, it's he he took less money to go to the Chiefs.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

It's I mean, I'm smart. That you know that means that means that he won that Super Bowl and he enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 24:09

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I you know, good for him, good for collecting the bag. I think that he'll be extremely successful there.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Uh yeah, you couldn't really ask for a much better situation to go to a free agent running back that's looking to get paid.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

Yeah, you went to a win-in situation as long as they can find somebody decent to bridge the gap for Patty Mahomes to get back. I mean, he might be back week one. Yeah. Even if he is back week one. There's a lot of stem cells involved.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Technology, technology. Oh, bro. Kelsey ain't coming back for one last rod for no reason. Not to not have Pat.

SPEAKER_04 24:49

Yeah, but even if you don't have Pat, it's probably the first six weeks of the season.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

I think another thing with it is I don't think it'll take as long for him to come back because of like it's not like he's out here making cuts and shit.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

Yeah, true. I but I mean look, Patrick Mahomes was the leading rusher for the Chiefs last year.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

It won't be with Kenneth Walker.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

Yeah, no, but I'm I'm saying that like you're he is fairly mobile and he does move in and out of the pocket quite a bit. I that will be limited. And so, I mean, yeah, signing Kenneth Walker is a good move. We've talked about Alec Pierce. We glossed over Michael Pittman to the Steelers a little bit. It's actually, to me, it's a great move for the Steelers.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

It's just what are you doing at what are we gonna do at quarterback? And it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

You want to know what I read? Hold on, before you go any further, do you want to know what I read? Yeah, you're gonna fucking love this. Kirk Cousins. We're gonna move on from the 42-year-old to the 38-year-old.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

And you know, it's the Bagman. The OG. The O, the one who really laid the blue.

SPEAKER_04 25:51

Yeah, oh 100%, dude. This dude's been laying railroads down about how to collect a bag.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

The difference with Kirk Cousins is he got paid and he showed up every year.

SPEAKER_04 26:02

Oh, he loved the franchise tag.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

He did, man. Hell, you telling me that I can just get a bigger bag next year because you don't want to commit.

unknown 26:10

Fuck it.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Yeah. 15% more? Getting a pay raise to do the same shit?

SPEAKER_04 26:15

Yeah. But great move for the Steelers. I think we could both agree to that.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Yeah. And it's it ties in. I didn't know that. So I didn't see that. I've been I've been.

SPEAKER_04 26:24

Yeah, that's that's the rumors. The rumors around town are if they don't, if they do not bring Aaron Rodgers back, it is Kirk Cousins.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Patriots sign Romeo Dobbs. Yeah. Four years, 80 mil. I like Dobbs. AJ Brown's not going to the Patriots.

SPEAKER_04 26:39

Oh yeah. That doesn't move the needle.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

But you, yeah, for sure. But you know, for me, don't understand why Pittsburgh would have even played the game with Aaron Rodgers. Like, if he wanted him back, I'd have been like, all right, let's get a deal done now, or it's over. Like Aaron Rodgers going on Pat McAfee talking about some, oh yeah, you know, I'm kind of indecisive. Like, bro, like, we're not putting the ball in your court. Like, I wouldn't even, I would say, bro, are you in or are you out?

SPEAKER_04 27:07

Right. I'm trying to build a roster here.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

And it and it's not even, you know, we'll give you a timeline. But like, you're not about to sit over here and tell call me in July and be like, yeah, I think I'm done, or yeah, I think I'm gonna play. Which is what he is what Aaron Rodgers would do. Yeah, 100%. And uh, you know, it's one thing if you're 32-year-old Aaron Rodgers versus a 42. Yeah, like I'm not I'm not waiting on Aaron Rodgers.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

I mean look, and if I'm the Steelers personally, I'm I wouldn't bring Rodgers back if he wanted to come back. I mean, he did have a pretty solid, I wouldn't bring Kirk Cousins in if Rodgers didn't come back either. I would to be honest with you, what they should do, I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

They're just trying to maintain. Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

The standard is the standard, the standard is the standard. What I would do, I would probably just ride with like Will Howard.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

They're riding with the ghost of Mike Tomlin. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

That's what I would do. Look, instead of just going out here and paying a quarterback some money, that what Kirk Cousins is going to be there for a year. Aaron Rodgers is gonna be there for a year. Yeah, exactly. You play Will Howard if you have something great. If you don't, you're like, well, I mean, he was a sixth-round pick. It's not like we'll be right back.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Well, you're in the same situation either way, right?

SPEAKER_04 28:18

100%.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Like the only chance at a win you have is if Will Howard turns out to be nice to be good enough to give where you look on the next year, like we can really give this guy a chance. Right. Because here's the thing you get Aaron Rodgers, unless you win a Super Bowl, you wasted a year because what'd you what to do? What? Go 10 and 6 and be in the same situation next year.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

Yeah, and people are gonna be like, well, they traded for Michael Pittman, though, they're gonna do something, but they didn't give up shit for Michael Pittman. Yeah, you give up, what is it?

SPEAKER_01 28:46

A was it a six?

SPEAKER_04 28:47

No, I think they gave a seven, a seventh round. And got a sixth in return. Yeah, so something it was something of that regardless, they didn't give up much, right? The only thing that you've invested in is his contract.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

Yeah, that's it. And it's not like your roster's anything spectacular, anyways.

SPEAKER_04 29:04

And look, Michael Pittman Jr.'s tradable, he's a good wide receiver, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Somebody where it's not working out, somebody, if he's having a good year, you telling me the Bills would love to have a Michael Pittman Jr. trade deadline kind of move. Yeah, 100%. I would.

SPEAKER_04 29:18

You tell me the Dolphins for their brand new quarterback, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 29:22

But they also paid him, too. They also paid Pittman. Yeah. Give him an extension.

SPEAKER_04 29:26

It does it is fitting, though. I look, I'll give the Pittman in Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Yeah, I mean, I don't understand. I don't like teams that for the sake of you know not bottoming out. Like, I don't I won't want to be stuck in mediocrity. Yeah, it's weird because like hanging your hat on going nine and eight for ten straight years and not winning a playoff game is nothing to hang your hat on. Like you wouldn't want to do that, you just can't build, like you're not getting anything good enough to build. Yeah, but if I'm like you have to find diamonds in the rough, you're not gonna get that super elite talent, right?

SPEAKER_04 30:05

But if I come to you, like if I come to you and I say, Hey Justin, I said I got a 10-year plan. You're like, all right, bro, let me hear it.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

10 years.

SPEAKER_04 30:11

And I'm like, all right, for this 10-year plan, I just want to, I don't know, hover around average. How's that sound? You're like, well, that's a bad plan.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Why would you do that? At any point of these 10 seasons, are we a legitimate Super Bowl contender? I'm like, yeah, like one or two. I would say look at the Pittsburgh Steelers the past 10 years and tell me which one of those years you thought they were a legitimate Super Bowl team first. Yeah, I don't even because I wouldn't say that. Like, I wouldn't have been.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

In the last 10 years, they they had no, they they had a Le'Veon Bell, Antonio Brown in the last 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

I mean, they had that one, they had that one good year, but like I that maybe that one time.

SPEAKER_04 30:47

Yeah, that's that's what I mean though. You would be like, bro, it's you're like, that's not a great play.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

I wouldn't do it unless you told me that one year that we had that shot, we actually won the Super Bowl. No.

SPEAKER_04 30:58

But then that's when that's why I'm not opposed to all in moves. Like what the Ravens were trying to do with Max Crosby.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

Yeah, but you gotta have the infrastructure. You you can't go all in as the Pittsburgh Steelers. You can go all in as the Tennessee Titans. You can go all in if you're the Green Bay Packers type of team.

SPEAKER_05 31:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

You can go all in if you're the I'll even say this. The Rams, obviously, the Cowboys could be a team that could make an all-in move because they have the infrastructure depending on, you know, Dak. But you but you know what I'm saying? Where you have a good roster, right? That you is a piece away. Like when the Rams traded for Jalen Ramsey, they they were a piece away. When you're the Steelers, you're not make there's not a player in the league that's not a quarterback that you they can go out and trade that kind of capital for, and it's a move that says, this puts us there.

SPEAKER_04 31:50

Yeah. I I you know what I agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

And that goes for half of the NFL.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

I uh I uh shout out shout out to Michael Pittman. He uh he got out of he got out of Alec Pierce's way, so Alec Pierce could go be the number one.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Don't let Josh Downs be the leading receiver. Look, if I'm telling you now, if Josh Downs is the leading receiver for the Colts next year, brother. The tirade that I'm gonna go on, the shit I'm gonna get on this pod and talk.

SPEAKER_04 32:27

No, dude, we're really happy that the Colts paid him that much money. Yeah, I do, but it's it's good for Tennessee Titans fans. Look, they they stopped us from doing that.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

Right. And I would have been hot. I would have been hot.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

Thank you. Thank you, Indianapolis Colts. We appreciate it. How about this? Malik Willis. Six total games. I believe I watched a clip of Kurt Warner say he had 28 total dropbacks. 28 designed passing plays where he dropped back in the pocket and threw the ball. Okay. My man is now the starting quarterback, the starting quarterback of your Miami Dolphins. 45 mil guaranteed. Look, and I know what you're gonna say, I'm not gonna pay him all that money. This works out, this works out one or two ways. 100%. He's like the 20th, I think, highest paid quarterback in the league.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

And it's not a long deal.

SPEAKER_04 33:30

It's not a long deal. It was you know what? To be honest, like if you're gonna bet on your guy, like like the new GM and the coach wanted to do. I mean, look, they've been around him for two years. They're like, hey, we think he's got it. If you want to bet on your guy, that's the type of contract you want to be able to give him. Right, yeah. I mean, you don't love, look, you don't like you don't love giving them 45 mil guarantee.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Right, but in the grand scheme of things, it's what a three year, what is it? It's like three years, 67 mil or something like that. So, I mean, over the and on a quarterback, that's fine. You can still put a roster together.

SPEAKER_04 34:03

100%.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Like if they had the roster that was like a playoff caliber team. You know, if they were the Pittsburgh Steelers and they signed with Malik Willis, I'd, you know. I uh I'd be like, okay, you know.

SPEAKER_04 34:15

I'm actually not that opposed to this trade. Look, I I kind of hope it works out. I like Malik Willis. I uh signing there's just it's just crazy. Like six total starts in the league. Yeah, man. Quarterback.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

He had like it ain't like there was the last six games of the season. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

He didn't have a high bed, like bro, played two games a year, two years ago.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

He played like, bro, I watched that man play a game. We almost beat the when we should have beat the Chiefs that one year, and he had like what, like eighty yards or some shit like that, bro.

SPEAKER_04 34:56

Yeah, six total games. Incredible. I mean, look, shout out to his agent.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Man, we talk about what one year can do for you. Fuck, it don't even take that.

SPEAKER_04 35:05

It took him three games. What'd he get? Three starts this year, man, bro. Three starts? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

It ain't even like he came out here and like lit the world on fire. It ain't like he walked in, it was like Brock Purdy's emergence.

SPEAKER_04 35:18

Yeah, no, it wasn't. He had well, he had that one big game against Chicago.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

But I mean he didn't even start the whole game though, right?

SPEAKER_01 35:25

The defense put up a whole lot of points.

SPEAKER_04 35:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Put up a whole lot of points.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

Let's see. The Rams, they traded for Trim McDuffie. We talked about that. They also signed Jalen Watson also from the Chiefs. Interesting. How you feel about it?

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Another one of those things where it's just like it makes just want to say how.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

So where are they getting this money? Yeah. Oh, you know.

SPEAKER_01 35:49

I just don't understand. It just feels like there's only some teams that can do this. Like, why is it only the same teams doing this shit over and over and over?

SPEAKER_04 35:56

Yeah, it almost makes you think they gotta go get Matt Stafford a Super Bowl. Another one.

unknown 36:02

Fuck.

SPEAKER_04 36:03

I mean, they wanted to ride out into the Sun City.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

We traded a first, a third, a fifth, a sixth. Sign that guy's teammate.

SPEAKER_04 36:11

It really didn't sign Jalen Watson to much, though. It was like a one-year or two-year deal for like 10 million.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:16

Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't a crazy deal.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

They ain't got much to give. This is like the uh NFL's version of the vet minimum in the NBA where they're like, yeah, I could go make 20 mils somewhere else, but I'll take the lowest I can get because I've made it.

SPEAKER_04 36:30

I want to go play for the rails. He's like, me and Trim were like best friends. Like, I want to get it.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

And it's warm, warm weather.

SPEAKER_04 36:36

Yeah, beautiful. It's LA.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

Man.

SPEAKER_04 36:39

The Giants sign Isaiah Likely. John Harbaugh gets his guy back.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Yeah. I wonder how that worked in the meeting when they were like, oh, if I'm Isaiah Likely, I'm like, so John, you didn't use me very much in Baltimore last year. Uh, what can I expect to be different? He's gonna he was like, he's like, well, we're just gonna pay you a little bit more here.

SPEAKER_03 36:59

He's a deal.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

He's like, you know what? All right. He's like, I can do it. I like likely. I do too. But you know, it just depends on how you feel about Theo Johnson. Some people like him. He popped for a sec, went away.

SPEAKER_04 37:14

I can tell you who definitely liked him. Jackson Dart loved Theo Johnson.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:18

He loves it.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

So you know, what if he becomes a backup again?

SPEAKER_04 37:23

That'd be tough. It's a lot of money to pay a backup.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

We replace Wandale Robinson with Isaiah Likely. And now it looks like the Giants are a candidate to draft a wide receiver.

SPEAKER_04 37:34

It does. No. Well, look, there's look, and you I'll just go ahead and go to this. I'll just go ahead and go to this. We'll skip to this. The Jags are looking to move BTJ. Do you know who one of the suitors that they're talking to is? No, who? It is the New York Giants.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Oh God. That would be such a nasty wide receiver room, just off the strength of the fact that it's like it's already sick when you're an LSU receiver. Now it's like you got two of them. It's like a power-up. It's like in Dragon Ball Z when they do the fusion and then they touch and become like crazy.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

Oh that's gonna be bro. BTJ?

SPEAKER_04 38:14

Yeah, no, it would be a good move.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

It was the Florida.

SPEAKER_04 38:17

But it look that the this whole this whole BTJ thing and Travis Hunter's gonna play corner more. And dude, this whole situation got really weird. Because if you trade BTJ, there's almost no way you play Travis Hunter full time at D. It nothing makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

I mean you would still have Jacoby Myers, Brenton Strange.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

Yeah, that's fine. What's Brent's parking lot? Brenton Strange is a 40, 30, 40 catch guy a year. No, like what do you have 50? No, sir. If you have, if you yeah, bro, come on.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Nah, bro. I have strange.

SPEAKER_04 38:54

I don't know. Like getting rid of ETN vacates a lot of targets. He was like a 50 catch guy.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Byshaw Tootin is on the rise.

SPEAKER_04 39:02

Yeah, for sure. But I don't know if Byshaw Tutin's gonna be a receiving back like Travis Etienne was.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

That's fair.

SPEAKER_04 39:11

I yeah, I mean, I could see Brendan Strange getting a little bit more work just off of the strength of ETN being gone.

SPEAKER_01 39:17

Yeah, so he missed, he missed five games last year, and he still had 46 receptions. Right.

SPEAKER_04 39:26

Jacoby Myers is gonna eat up some of that work. Quite a bit of it, I think.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Yeah, I like Jacoby Myers.

SPEAKER_04 39:32

Yeah, like I would expect Jacoby Myers to come in there and get. I mean, this might sound crazy, but I would expect him to be in the 130, 120, maybe even the 140 range for targets.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:44

Like he should eat up quite a bit of targets. He's I mean, he is a zone beater.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

Man, I just think I don't I think if you're Jacksonville, that move for me, the way I'm looking at it in my head, is them making that move for BTJ, it has to be like they must really believe in Parker Washington. It gotta be, right? You got to we the the year that BTJ had as a rookie, which yes, I get it, is a rookie year one you can attribute to a lot of times. You see people have sophomore slumps, but it ain't like you don't like you watch it, it's drops. It was yeah, he might have just had the yibs and then it got in his head and he just couldn't get out of it. You come in next year, fresh start, less target, you know.

SPEAKER_04 40:26

Yeah, it's a fair point because it was. I mean, dude, we watched all the uncharacteristic, and it just dude, it looked bad. Like he didn't look interested, like there was a lot of things with his body language, didn't fuck with Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, I mean needed Mac, he wanted Alabama. You know how many times he has to be traded to San Francisco last year? He saw his boy out there in San Francisco thriving. He's like, that's where I need to be. Man, he's like, you mean to tell me Kendrick Bourne's getting 13 targets?

SPEAKER_01 41:02

If they're shopping him for real, whoever he's getting is lands up with is gonna have potential to have a steal, an absolute steal.

SPEAKER_04 41:11

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

Especially if he can go somewhere and you're talking about somebody who as a rookie pulled up top 10 season, like top five season, fantasy-wise. I just don't, I just don't, I just can't fathom like okay, he had a down year. It was bad. He still made some plays.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

Yeah, but like I said, man, we watched those games, we watch those games, like some of that shit was like unwatchable, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

Right. He dropped a lot of passes for sure. And you we both use in that, but it's just like it's hard for me to be like, but okay, he had one great year, he had one down year.

SPEAKER_04 41:46

I tend to be more on your side. Look, I tend to be more on your side, like we saw the talent, right? Like we saw the talent, like I don't think the talent just goes away, right? It doesn't just go away, it's like something happened.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

There's a lot that was going on, too. Especially, I mean, think about it. They went and got Jacoby Myers, and you saw Parker Washington like really come on while he was having his slump. So, like, you know, that could have that could have bothered him. That could have attributed to it. I'm not I'm not excusing it, but you know, I'm not giving up on BTJ. I would take a chance on him. Shit, I'd call I'd call the the Jags and be like, it will will the second pick, like say our second round pick this year, get it. He's still on a rookie, you still got what he was a first round pick, right? Yeah, so you still get three more years of control under him. Yeah, you give up a second round pick, I would pay the price.

SPEAKER_04 42:40

If they if if they were like, hey, all we want's a second, I would give him a second, I would give them a second and a fourth. I'd give him a second and a fifth. Yeah, especially if you're a super wide receiver needy.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

And then at that point, if you make this move early, then you can just be like, okay, well, now we got a little money we can spend in cap space to make up for the fact that we don't have a second round pick and a fourth round pick.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

Yeah, like if I'm somebody like San Francisco, like this is a move I'm considering.

SPEAKER_01 43:02

Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's a lot of teams. The the Buffalo Bills, the Raiders, the Ravens, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 43:11

Yeah, there's talks about them trying to trade for an agent.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

Really, if we're being realistic, like I can't think of a team that made that was a playoff team last year that shouldn't consider taking a chance on a the Broncos, man, the Patriots. Yeah, absolutely. You literally go all the way the Chargers, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

I agree. It's kind of crazy. Houston? It's a crazy that's a crazy situation. It'll be if he does end up getting traded, I'm sure we'll get a lot more clarity about what's went on and what happened. Uh yeah, so I kind of hope it happens.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

Just to get some intel, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:42

I don't have the inside scoop in Jacksonville, so it's kind of fucking me up. I got a crazy deal. This one, this was like to me personally. I mean, you were upset about the Alec Pierce deal. I think this is worse. I think this is a worse signing. It's Jalen Phillips to the Panthers.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

This is a guy that's never had to really overpay for guys like that because I've that signals to me that they don't have intentions on paying Bryce Young.

SPEAKER_04 44:09

Yeah, that's a fair point. I uh yeah, but yeah, and you're talking about a guy who's never had over nine sacks.

SPEAKER_01 44:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:16

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:18

He's getting what 31 mil a year? That's insane. Free agency's crazy, dog. It's the loser tax, right? Even though they weren't necessarily a loser.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

I mean shit. It's not even the loser tax. Hell, you see you see the Rams paying Trent McDuffie $32 million a year. It's insane to me.

SPEAKER_04 44:37

Yeah, that's true too.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

But I like it goes back to just how I view paying players that kind of bread. If you would be owner $32 million to Pat Sertan, I'm not paying $32 million to Trent McDuffie.

SPEAKER_04 44:51

I mean, if you were an owner, tell them what you would do. Everybody would take 10% less, right?

SPEAKER_01 44:56

He'd have to take a little bit more than 10. I wouldn't want to pay McDuffie 25.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

Everybody takes 15% less. And we win. And we're winning forever. You got job security.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

I'm going to be good to you. You be good to me. You ain't got to worry about getting shipped off or have any shady business taxes or tactics.

SPEAKER_04 45:17

Yeah, you're going to let them know what's up.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

I'm going to be like, look, up front, look. And here's look, you know what? I'll throw an extra year on your deal. You take a three, four, five miles. You take you a little 15% less and we'll give you 15% more in security.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Tell them you just give them no trade clause.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

You know what? And you know, and here, yeah. Well, I'll give you a no cut clause.

SPEAKER_04 45:35

Well, no cut clause. No cut clause. We Tyler Linderbaum went to the Raiders, biggest bag for an interior offensive lineman ever. How you feel about that?

SPEAKER_01 45:47

I like it for Ash and Genty for fantasy purposes only.

SPEAKER_04 45:50

Hey, no, look, I yeah, it's a gross uh overpay. They paid the loser tax on that for sure.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

Yeah, you gotta spend a bag to get people to come.

SPEAKER_04 45:59

But he's sick.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

It's good for Ash and Genty.

SPEAKER_04 46:02

It's good for it's good for Fernando Mendoza.

SPEAKER_01 46:05

Yeah. And Brock Bowers.

SPEAKER_04 46:07

Yeah, 100%. It's a good move for the Raiders, I think.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

I do too. I like it. I like it. Big fan.

SPEAKER_04 46:12

I uh you know who else they gave a bag to? Do you?

SPEAKER_01 46:16

No, who else?

SPEAKER_04 46:17

They gave a bag to a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

I should clarify that they were Yeah, I saw that they would I saw that they made a lot of moves.

SPEAKER_04 46:23

Yeah, they signed the Kobe Dean, they signed Quaid Walker.

SPEAKER_01 46:27

Yeah, yeah. I like the investment in the defense.

SPEAKER_04 46:30

Oh, yeah. I mean, look, they made some they made some good moves on the defensive end.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

They didn't necessarily spend uh just a boatload again.

SPEAKER_04 46:37

But then Clint Kubiak must have called his his guy. You know who his guy is? Who's his guy? KOC, Kevin O'Connell. He calls him up, he says, hey man, tell me about this Jalen Naylor kid. And Kevin O'Connell says, look, I mean, his it's not gonna really show on the tape, and it's not really gonna show in the box score, but I mean this guy is a solid wide receiver three.

SPEAKER_01 47:07

I mean, he had some moments.

SPEAKER_04 47:08

Yeah, he had two good games.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

He also, I mean, it's kind of hard. He had two good games. Hold on, hold on. Maybe I'll give you credit for the year before, but last year, nobody exactly lit it up in nobody. Would you pay Justin Jefferson what Justin Jefferson would get paid if he was on the open market today based off of his year with him?

SPEAKER_04 47:28

Yeah, because I've seen Justin Jefferson do it with Case Keenan.

SPEAKER_01 47:32

He didn't see him do it with nine.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

Nobody can do it with nine.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

Nine then, so we can't hold it against him.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Look, here's the problem. The problem is this really happened because of Alec Pierce. This was an Alec Pierce problem. Alec Pierce went on the open market. The the the Indianapolis Colts were like, look, we can't lose you. We're gonna pay you this bag. Congratulations. Jalen Naylor's agent immediately gets on the phone. They're like, all right, we're in contract talks with the with the Raiders right now. What was his deal? Who, Jalen Naylor?

SPEAKER_06 48:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:08

It was like three years. I think it was like 35 mil. It's like a ton. 24, 23 mil guaranteed.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

That's not a huge investment. You have 11, 12 mil.

SPEAKER_04 48:21

I wouldn't give Jalen Naylor 5 million guaranteed. We're talking about a guy who's caught 22 passes the year prior and 24 passes this last year.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

Look, we got one.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

For 400 he never broke 500 yards. Insane. Free agency, bro, is crazy. It is crazy to think. Because, like, here my thing is, I'd rather, before I pay a player like that anything on the open market, I could draft a guy. I'll go without. Yeah. I could draft a guy. You're telling me I'd rather have a fourth round wide receiver to take a chance on than taking a chance on somebody who's been in the league and has done virtually nothing.

SPEAKER_04 49:01

You're telling me Trey Tucker can't average 23 catches and 490 yards. Trey Tucker's better than him. Man, you're telling me Deontay Thornton couldn't have 24 catches and 500 receiving yards in a season?

SPEAKER_01 49:17

Man.

SPEAKER_04 49:17

With three touchdowns?

SPEAKER_01 49:19

Yeah. He could absolutely do that. I'd rather pay Alec Pierce for sure. Yeah. But Alec Pierce, you know, it's justifiable when Alec Pierce's contract is.

SPEAKER_04 49:31

Well, I guess it's probably more like it's just the part of the problem is they are so needy at wide receiver.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

She also got so much money.

SPEAKER_04 49:40

They could have gone out, yeah, but I would have paid Wandell 25 mil a year before I went and paid Jalen Naylor anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Jalen Abor wouldn't be a target. Yeah. On my free agents. Absolutely not. It's just I would have been like, man, we can pay him $13 million. I'd be like, man, how much would that fourth round pick in the what some flyer guy? Yes. I can get. I mean, shit, what what did Chamiri DK put up last year?

SPEAKER_04 50:06

I don't know, probably better than the other. I'm about to stack it.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

I'm about to comp it. I'm about to comp it while we're doing it.

SPEAKER_04 50:11

And if he didn't put it, it was probably comparable.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:14

And he's probably making what two, three, four mil?

SPEAKER_01 50:18

Oh, not only that, Chamiri DK was a all pro. When you consider the special team value, yeah. Yeah, he was an all-pro. He definitely makes up for the little bit less receiving yards. Jalen Naylor returned kicks too. Oh, buddy, this is about to be funny. What? What's Jalen Naylor's stat line?

SPEAKER_04 50:33

I think it was this last season. This last season, I believe, was like 24 catches for like 470 or 468.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

Hey, bro, as I told you, I this is how I might be an expert.

SPEAKER_01 50:47

I said I'd rather have Chamiri DK. His rookie year, he had, and he didn't even come on until later in the year. He had 48 receptions, 423 yards, four receiving touchdowns.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

It was already better. He had more catches. He had double the catches.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

He's probably making like $2 million.

SPEAKER_04 51:03

Jalen Aylor with the 24 receptions, all it tells me is he can run faster than people.

SPEAKER_02 51:09

And it's and looked one, he can do it once a game.

SPEAKER_04 51:12

Yeah, right. Well, look, and it's he's not matched up against the best.

SPEAKER_02 51:16

Bro, we're talking about somebody that had less than two catches per game.

SPEAKER_04 51:22

It's ridiculous, dude.

SPEAKER_02 51:24

Bro, I had two. How many games did he play?

SPEAKER_04 51:27

It breaks the market. It breaks the market even more than Alec Pierce getting paid what he paid because at least Alec Pierce went out there and did it for a season.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

Man. He at least got a thousand.

SPEAKER_04 51:38

He put up Killin Naylor's career this year. I promise you. It's crazy. And still doubled his catches.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

My God.

SPEAKER_04 51:46

Yeah, it breaks the system. It breaks the system. You want to do it.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

This is what bad football teams do. They pay. This is why bad football teams stay bad.

SPEAKER_04 51:56

That's the definition of the loser tax.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

And this is why when I say it's a hot take, and people can say whatever the fuck they want. I have no NFL experience in any kind of way. Except on Madden. There's not a chance in hell that the moves that I see these teams making are even things I would think about, bro. It can't be this hard to be an NFL GM. It can't be.

SPEAKER_04 52:22

Part of it's got to be. Yeah, that's a fact. You are wasting money. And especially on a position that, oh yeah, like it's desperate need. But dude, there's so many wide receivers. So many wide receivers to take chances on. And it wouldn't have taken. I would have rather waited till the UFL season was over and then signed the best UFL receiver. For real talk. For real talk, bro. I uh dude, it I think part of it's gotta be, part of it's gotta be because like you have to spend the money.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

Like the money You don't have to spend it on that.

SPEAKER_04 52:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

I would have rather paid. That's what I would say too. I would have paid Tyler Lindenball 11 more million dollars before I paid Jalen Daylor that.

SPEAKER_04 53:05

I would have let uh you know, but look, Kevin O'Connell's a great salesman, and him and Clint Kubiak are boys, and he calls him up and he says, Hey man, this Jalen Naylor kid legit. He's like, he might be a wide receiver one on the right team.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

He probably said the same thing about Sam Darnold when he got on the phone. I mean, they talked with Sam Darnold. That's true. He's like, hey, look, man, you helped me out once. Can you give me a little advice? He was like, all right, I gotta get no way back. This is payback.

SPEAKER_04 53:30

It would only be fitting for the show if Jalen Taylor comes out with like 83 catches this year for 1,400 yards and 12 touchdowns. But you got to.

SPEAKER_01 53:41

I just don't see where it's gonna come from.

SPEAKER_04 53:43

And then we're like, man, this is one of the greatest, this is one of the greatest sign-ins in free agent history.

SPEAKER_01 53:49

Yeah, I mean, I would have rather have paid Trey Tucker. Like Trey Tucker's better than him.

SPEAKER_04 53:53

He's also younger. Jalen Maylor's like 28 years old.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

So yeah, right. So he's not getting more than you just drafted Jack Beck in the second round, third round. You put a premium draft pick on him, kind of. Dante Thornton, you like what he he has physically. You still got Brock Bowers, Genty. Yeah, well, look, it's good. It's good for where is he gonna be worthy of? I mean, I don't know. I guess we are talking about like a $12 million a year contract, but you know, look, shout out to his agent. That's what I'm gonna say every single time. Tony Pollard's making $8 million a year.

SPEAKER_04 54:29

Yeah, who's more useful? Jalen Naylor, apparently. Tony Pollard probably had like 200 receiving yards, too. He probably had like he probably overheads that.

SPEAKER_02 54:40

He doubled his he doubled his production.

SPEAKER_04 54:42

He probably had close to 23 receptions, too. For a third, for for two-thirds of the price. Shout out to Jalen Naylor's agent. Shout out to Jalen Naylor for collecting the bag.

SPEAKER_01 54:54

I need to develop a skill so he can negotiate for me.

SPEAKER_04 54:57

Man, I promise you. I promise you. We do love. Look, it sounds like we're hating on Jalen Naylor. We're not. We're we're we're fans of the bag collection agency. Absolutely. And Jalen Naylor has now endeared himself into the bag collection agency. Congratulations, brother.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

I'm gonna I'm gonna this this signing makes me want to log into the all 22 tonight and see what they saw.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

Yeah, I want to see what they saw.

SPEAKER_04 55:24

You want to see what they saw? Well, how about you tell me what the Falcons saw in Tua Tongava?

SPEAKER_01 55:29

A million-dollar quarterback. Fair enough. He's cheaper than Kirk Cousins. At least, look, at least Tua can line up in the shotgun or under center.

SPEAKER_04 55:42

Yeah, that's fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

At least he can do that.

SPEAKER_04 55:46

I mean, it might be the here's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Here's another thing, too. About the Tua thing. I'm selfish. I think I made the comment earlier that I wouldn't mind Tua in Atlanta. Because B. John Robinson's gonna get a lot of touches, a lot of check downs in the receiving game.

SPEAKER_04 56:06

Loves a good check down.

SPEAKER_01 56:08

They're gonna have a two and fifteen record.

SPEAKER_04 56:10

They're probably gonna be pretty bad. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 56:13

But I mean they're gonna know though.

SPEAKER_04 56:19

Like, I need to know though. Like, what does this do to like Drake London?

SPEAKER_01 56:22

Uh look, I mean, I don't know if Tua starts. Like, I don't I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 56:26

Tua absolutely starts.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

Oh, I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_04 56:29

Michael Penix was not good.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

I mean, if he's healthy, yeah, but the last one, Tua wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 56:35

And there's it's almost a hundred percent chance that Michael Penix was gonna miss the start of the season. Like he's probably gonna start the year on PUP.

SPEAKER_01 56:43

Well, good well, Tua will end up concussed right around the time he's coming back, so it'll work.

SPEAKER_04 56:49

I mean it might be the most injury pro quarterback game ever.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

For a million dollars is worth taking a chance on.

SPEAKER_04 56:56

Uh 100%. I agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 56:58

Hey, look, you're you're gonna talk crazy to me to this, but I'd rather Tua at a million dollars than Daniel Jones at 50.

SPEAKER_04 57:06

Yeah, I could agree with that. I could agree to that. I I would I would never pay Daniel Jones 50 million.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

But Tua's good enough to where like if they had a legitimate roster everywhere else around the board around him, like he could be good enough to where they could at least be like a compete for a playoff spot.

SPEAKER_04 57:23

I uh I think it benefits to it that it's in a dome. As crazy as that. I know it's in the south. Yeah, it's I just I don't it's not a winny move.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

But look, nah, here's the thing. Nah, we're gonna go by your logic. Alright. He can have the resurgence that Sam Darnold had. Right. It's a new situation.

SPEAKER_04 57:49

Who's the coach there? Kevin Stefansky?

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Like it. He's got a dog behind him. Yeah. He's got a dog, he's got two dogs. Well, he's got a dog and someone who had a good year, Kyle Pitts, finally.

SPEAKER_04 58:04

A franchise tag dude.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Like, you know, it could be look, a fresh start could be good for Tua. I don't disagree with that. For a million dollars, it's worth a flyer. Hell, I would have taken Tua to be the backup to Cam Ward for a million dollars. For a million dollars, you can give me any quarterback.

SPEAKER_04 58:19

It was cheaper than signing Mitch Trubisky.

SPEAKER_01 58:22

I'd rather Tua than Trubisky, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 58:24

Trubisky's not a bad backup.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

Oh my god. Would you have you think Tua's a bad backup? Bad backup?

SPEAKER_04 58:32

No. No. Tua will be the starter. So it's it's is Michael Penix a bad backup.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

I'm saying if if Tua would have signed for a million dollars in Nashville, I would have loved it. It would be better than Trubisky. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Speaking of the Titans, we haven't talked about any of them. Before I get into an individual team, let me tip my cap. Or tip, you know, whatever mine's answer is gonna be. Who do you think has had the best free agency so far?

SPEAKER_04 59:01

Uh it's a good question. There's a couple teams that have done things quietly that I think need some praise. I don't necessarily know if they're the best, but I think the Texans have done things quietly and have made some improvements. The Bengals have been pretty quiet and I think made some decent improvements. I don't know though. Like you look at the money spent, like maybe the commanders, even though they haven't really addressed wide receiver, but they have addressed the defense.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

They don't necessarily need to be able to do that. I have like a top three.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

I think the Titans and the Raiders should probably both be in the conversation. Yeah. But they also had the most money to spend and had the space.

SPEAKER_01 59:41

But they also I feel like I feel like both of those teams spent their money wisely.

SPEAKER_04 59:46

Yeah. Oh, I agree. I agree. The commanders spent their money wisely as well.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

I can I I like that.

SPEAKER_04 59:54

I to be honest with you, I don't besides like you know, we're talking shit about Jalen Ayler. Like, that's a crazy sign. But I there hasn't been maybe the Alec Pierce signings crazy. Like you wouldn't teams that win Super Bowls don't normally make moves like sod and Alec Pierce to crazy deals. But you know, I the Raiders, Titans, Commanders, all three of those teams had to be up there. The Giants probably should be in consideration.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

Yeah. I'm gonna throw the Chiefs up there.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

Just for the totality of the moves in general. Yeah, I love the getting the hall for McDuffie. Yeah. Getting you a running back, getting something that your team desperately needed. Like that was clear.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:35

And you were able to talk the running back that probably should have commanded the biggest bag in free agency. You were able to talk them down, like got a good deal on it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:43

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:44

Yeah, I think that's that's a fair point. The Chiefs.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:47

I I uh also like you, a big big fan of the Titans totality of their of the of what they've done.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:54

I really addressed the defense, which I like.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Yeah, completely reshaped, and they're clearly like Salah Salah clearly likes all these guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:03

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

Elante Taylor. Yeah, that was that's I would guess that's probably your favorite signing.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:08

For sure. Yeah, he was the person that I probably wanted the most.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:12

You said that before it was kicked off to me privately.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

Yeah. I like I like the totality of it. You completely revamp the cornerback room. You go out and get two of the two good corners. Yeah, definitely not. You didn't draw, you didn't kill, you didn't severely overpay. Yeah, $15 million. You didn't pay anything that can like severely hurt you if it doesn't work out. Like it's correct. You know, if if Vellante Taylor doesn't work out, it's not like the Lejarius Sneed situation.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:40

Right, where you're stuck holding the back.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:41

Not only that, but the moves that you made at corner allow you to now be able to get rid of Lejarius Sneed.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:49

Muasier.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

Yeah, I believe I read Paul Koharski said that like waiting on him to pass a physical to release him.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:57

Yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:58

If I'm not mistaken. So he will be released. Yeah. And that clears up more cap room so they can go and make more moves.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:05

Big fan of the Wandale signing. I think I think and I think we might have talked about this on the last episode, but I think that that was big. It makes it to where now I wouldn't mind them keeping Calvin Ridley for another year and not take a wide receiver early, like first couple rounds. I would like, I would like Wandale, Calvin Ridley, Gunnarham's gonna emerge this year.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:29

He will be T T E T E one.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:31

I feel I like he's was emerging down the stretch last year. AO and DK growing. Like I feel like that could be a four that and then it's all key on drafting Jeremiah Love.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:45

Yeah. A good running back can change.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Like I feel like I feel like adding Wandale Robinson, you know, you don't necessarily need to get rid of Calvin Ridley at that point.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:54

The problem with I'm not saying I don't like the sign. I like Wandell. I uh the problem with Wandale is I wouldn't call him a true wide receiver one.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:06

He's a good slot. No, he's I don't think he's a wide receiver one. I just think what he's got to do. I think he you got AO and Calvin Ridley on the outside, Wandale in the slot Gunnarham.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:17

I uh the thing that's gonna be great for Cam with Wandale, I mean he eats targets.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

You get you also get somebody that's familiar in this in the system that's gonna be played. Yeah. Someone who's produced in the system.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:30

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

In a role. It's not like you don't, you know, for their offense to take a significant step forward, it's not gonna be Juandale Robinson being a 1,500-yard receiver. It's not like you brought him in to be that anyways. I mean, you paid him 19, what, 17 and a half million dollars?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:46

No, I think it's 19.5. So yeah, no, it's not it's not a terrible deal. None of the deals were really terrible. I my my favorite one of it's probably my second, is the John Franklin Myers deal is a great move. Great move. I mean, we probably have this might sound crazy to people, but legitimately the Titans might have the best interior pass rush in football now.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:08

With Jeff with Big Jeff's a dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:10

You got you, you got the two, you got two of the top three defensive tackle pass rushers.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:16

Yeah. Yeah and they and they did what they needed it to do because now it allows them to do a little bit, uh, to have different options in the world.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:23

Yes, it gives you flexibility.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:25

It absolutely feels like at this point now, it every sign, it's all at least, and clearly we're far from being done with this. But like every it all indicates that they're going one or two ways in the draft. Like, it's gonna be, I feel like it's either gonna be Jeremiah or a receiver.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:43

You you trade Jermaine Johnson on the edge, or trade for Jermaine Johnson on the edge. You go and address the interior offensive line with Franklin. You've already got Femi, who the coaches said that they liked him. I would go and address the secondary. I don't necessarily think that it I don't think that it stops them from drafting on defense, though. I don't think if they go defense, it's clearly gonna be edge. Right. It doesn't necessarily stop you, but you don't if you if Salah actually likes Femi the way that he says he does, he'd probably keep it. You don't you don't necessarily have to feel like to take an edge rusher. You can come back that top pick in the second round and go edge rusher.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:20

Yeah, that's true. And there'll be some people available.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:23

Yeah, exactly. Some of these guys that they're pr projecting uh high are gonna fall at some point. Yeah, I uh and even then like that this is such a deep edge class that you know you can get the value there later on and get you another guy that you want to.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:38

It's just you know, what would you what would you rather if you were the if you were the GM of the Titans and I was like, hey, you can either you can either go get Jeremiah Love and you know maybe this pushes us to a competing level this year, which I think we both can agree like a good running back can make that difference.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

I mean, for me, it's like the DeFon compete.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:04

Like, you know, compete for a wild card spot.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:06

Yeah, I mean, like, that would I would still be happy with that.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:09

Our division, our division, I mean, besides the Texans, it's not like our division scares me.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:14

Yeah, but I mean, when you're the Texans.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:15

And I think the Texans are beatable.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

And you're a three-win football team, you know, you can't ask for much more. Yeah, the Patriots were also every single year. Look, at this point in time, you've you've got you've you've brought in a defensive head coach. You spent m most of your work in free agency on the defensive side of the football early. Like you've addressed a wide receiver, which was looked at in the draft. For me, I'm taking Jeremiah Love at four because at that point you can build a you've got young talent on the offensive side of the ball, and I'm expecting you know a Robert Salah to be able to elevate a Jermaine Johnson to be the guy that you would draft one of those edge rushers to be in that same situation.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:05

Right. I think I think you said it best, though, is the problem with the Jermaine Johnson thing is he comes out and he gets 12 sacks, he's done it once.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:12

You gotta cut the check.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:13

Yeah. Is that something you want to do?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

But you know, but if you're Robert Salah, but you know right, is that something you want to do? But at that point, if you don't want to do it and you're not look if the Titans come out here, nobody's still gonna expect them to be anything great. But you know, let's just say they still end up with the 10th pick in the draft. Like you'll be able to find an edge rusher there next year.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:32

You're saying this, but there is a team every single year. Like it's it happens every single year where a team goes worst to first.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:39

Right. I'm not saying the Titans can't. The commanders did it, it's gonna depend a lot on Cam Ward. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:45

But if you're I would like to think that Cam Ward takes the next step.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:48

But you you could always if you go get Jermaine Johnson and he has that year, and you turn around and have to pay him. And at that point, you if you decide you don't want to pay him, then you address Edward, you're in the same situation as you were this year.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:00

Right, without maybe the same talent.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:02

Right. And I don't think that there's a Jeremia Love like coming out in the draft next year.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:07

I think I would prefer to take Jeremiah Love too. I'm just saying that if they were to take a David Bailey.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:13

I'm not gonna be mad about you. I wouldn't be mad about anybody that they're gonna take at that top at like that are at the top of that class. Now, unless it's somebody that comes out of left field.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:23

No, I know somebody you'd be mad about.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:25

Who?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:25

Sonny Styles.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:26

Yeah, I wouldn't be happy about that. I would not be happy about that at all. He wouldn't be happy about that. I would not like that at all. He wouldn't be happy about it. Yeah, but the I mean, I it just feel I just feel like Jeremiah love what he could do to that offense. It helps the development of your quarterback. You got a foundational running back that you can build upon and have them for the opportun for the entirety of their important part of their career. Is there fits the NFL today's game?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:55

Is there anything that the Titans didn't do that you wish they did?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:01

I mean, not not really. Here's the thing, in my opinion, uh they've done better than what I thought they would do.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:08

Right. I wish that they would have addressed the center position. Yeah. There was a couple guys you could have won got, and you either couldn't, you didn't want to get, you know, I get it, you don't want not wanting to pay 27 million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:21

Well, those can be moves that can still come in time. I I wouldn't want to invest in. I just think the thing for me, it's just like, man, at the at this point, the Titans, like, it's it's starting to feel like they just can't do anything right on the as far as the offensive line's concerned. Right. You drafted Skaronsky as a left tackle at seven, and then immediately said he's a guard. We drafted the guard. Then you go draft, then you go draft JC Latham, say he's gonna move to left tackle, had a solid rookie year. You move him to right tackle to bring in a bad left tackle.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:54

Yeah. That you paid. Like, it's just like, man, you just with all indications, looks like it's gonna be our left tackle again this upcoming year.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:02

Yeah, and and you know, look, you're paying them to do that, you got to, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:06

Oh yeah, it was it was something that I would have liked to. I mean, they signed Schlaughterman from the Giants. It just that seems like that's my homeboy deal. He wasn't great, he wasn't a great center.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:18

Yeah, so I mean, you know, I don't know. You know, they might go get something later on or draft something. You can find something like that in the third, fourth round.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:25

That was the that was the one thing, though, I wish the Titans did. Other than that, I'm I'm pretty satisfied with the moves that were made.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:31

Yeah, I'm happy with it. It feels like you know, they're operating from a team like like a team that realizes they're nowhere close and that they have time to build this right.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:43

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:44

They're not out here targeting a 30-year-old guy at $25 million a year.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:49

Yeah, no, I I do appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:51

You're the first people to pay these people, I uh whether that works out or not.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:55

And we're used to either mediocrity or being bad, so it's like if you're if you're planning on doing this right, then I like let's do this right.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:02

Right. And if Cam wards him, then shit. Now the window's opened.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:07

Right. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I uh Brian Cook and Boya Mafa. Is that how you say it?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:16

Boy Mafe and Boy Mafe, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:19

Yeah, is that is that how you say it? Well, regardless, they both went to the Bengals. Seems like they're trying to address the defense and free agency a little bit. Yeah. Except not re-signing maybe the best edge available. I wouldn't pay.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:33

I mean, at this point, if you're the Bengals, you can't pay Trey Henderson.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:36

Yeah, no, it's over. They said he's gonna make his decision tomorrow, though. So we'll see. We'll see where he goes. I have a good feeling it's gonna be the Cowboys.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

They could use that, and then at that point, they may could potentially say, okay, maybe we did win the market.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:49

You know what? Matter of fact, that's another team that quietly has made some good moves. Signing Jalen Thompson, that's safety. That's a good safety to get. The Cowboys have made some good D's for the I mean, uh some good moves for their defense.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:01

The the uh trade for Rashawn Gary, that's a good move.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:05

It's a good move. I mean, you got him for you don't, I mean, you still have to pay him, but it's not like you said, yeah, you're you didn't have to compete with somebody for the contract. He would have absolutely had some super. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:15

And you didn't give up like a ton for him.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:18

Jerry's in his bag. Jerry's in his bag. He's about to pay.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

Who's he about to pay? So whose time is it to get paid? It's not gonna be George Pickens.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:30

Not gonna allow that to happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:32

I wonder if we're gonna see any movement on him.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:34

A Dafa Owe. Signed with the commanders. It's a solid pickup. It's a great pickup, yeah. I like that. Dan Quinn has strategically gone out there and selected guys that he likes for his defense.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:48

I uh his day is Jaden gonna be healthy?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:53

Yeah, that's the question. I they're a team that can compete if he is. They need another receiver desperately. But I mean they can get that in the draft at seven.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:03

You got old man Mike Evans.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:04

They need a you know what else they need? You know what else they need? They need a running back. It was surprising to me that they didn't try.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

I mean, maybe they rock with Bill.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:14

Yeah, maybe so. It's just it's super rare to rock with seventh-round running backs.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:18

Uh yeah, but they like Bill. He was the guy. And for, you know, he was the hot guy of the draft of the offseason.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:25

He definitely was.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:26

Oh, dang. Who was I just say, who was I just talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:29

Mike Evans. To say that. That's a good move for San Francisco, especially if he stays healthy.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:37

He uh look, you uh I mean, after it's a win. It's a win considering shit. Like you could have had Brandon Iuk with at a negative and you just void and got that blessing and spent it on.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:51

Dude, I uh I read something crazy about Brandon Iuk. You want to hear it?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:56

Dude, I read that like after he tore his ACL and he was supposed to be rehabbing in the offseason that he just wasn't doing any of the rehab. And like the medical staff is like afraid that like his knees like jacked forever. He might be dumb. Like there's so much scar tissue built up in his knee that like it'll never be the same.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:16

I t I told you that there was a chance that he might be cooked.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:20

It's cool. I only took him in our I only took him in our expansion draft because I thought he might get traded to Washington.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:26

I told you that there was a chance that he was cooked, but you didn't want to believe me, dog. I had the vision.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:32

Turns out I'm not an expert. It's okay. Oh man. It's not the end of the world. It's not.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:39

The good thing is we told them that you're not.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:41

Let's let's get to the meat and potatoes. You ready for the meat and potatoes?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:45

I want a great way to end the show.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:47

You ready for the meat and potatoes? The meat and potatoes of the show is really gonna be Geno Smith has written back.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:54

Nah, he ain't done. He he hasn't written back yet. He's just he's just on his way to write back.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:02

Brother, you called it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:03

I told you, bro. I told you.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:05

I hope by God you called it. I can't. When you texted me this, I thought it was fake.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:13

Dude, I was like, there's no fucking way.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:16

I told you, bro. Geno Smith was going back to the Jets.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:20

Only the Jets could do something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:22

In the words of the great Raleigh Jones. Only the Jets, bro. There's one thing that is guaranteed. Well, there's two, but we're only gonna speak on one of them. The Jets are gonna jet, brother. The Jets are gonna jet.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:38

Just when you think they couldn't get any more incompetent. And Aaron Glenn sat out here and targeted these guys. He signed a bunch of defensive pieces in free agency.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:48

You know, it's really funny is that like I I was like, all right, I see what the Jets are doing. We're just replenishing everything we just traded.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:55

Right. Right. You know, in theory, with how they attacked the free agency, like it's kind of a smart move. It's like, all right, we're getting rid of all this, we're getting this draft capital, we're gonna sign some pieces, we're gonna actually build something. But what's the ceiling?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:08

What's the ceiling with Geno Smith?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:10

It is and I can tell you this. It ain't, I don't think it's any higher than it was last year. Four I'll give him one more win. That'd be double his win total from last year.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:25

No, dude, look, Geno Smith brought Sam Darnold to the Seahawks. Geno Smith bringing Fernando Mendoza to the Raiders.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:33

He's bringing Archman into the champs. He's just he's the he's just the one that brings your franchise glory. I uh he's look, he's helping these franchises in significant ways. He just doesn't realize how he's doing it.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:50

Dude, I really thought, I really thought that Gino was gonna be a backup quarterback again. I really thought that he was gonna go somewhere like the Titans or maybe even the Chiefs. Like I thought maybe the Chiefs would take a stab at it just as a bridge. Like Gino would be a good bridge for a for a Pat Mahomes.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:10

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:11

You know, he's got a lot of the same qualities as a Jameis Winston.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:14

He's got somebody that in the right situation could come in and keep your team afloat. Yeah, 100%. He could come and hold down the four.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:22

Yeah, on a good team, he could get you a couple wins. For sure. Right. But instead, instead, he's gonna go back to the Jets. We're gonna get Jets Geno again. It's only right that I go two for two with this, bro. It's dude, incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:38

He's going to the Jets are gonna win the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:43

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:45

Step one's happened. Step one has happened. I said. Could you imagine?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:50

I said he's going to the Jets. He's taking them to the promised land.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:55

The script writers would be.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:57

In their bag, they don't in their bag.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:01

In their bag.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:02

In their bag.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:03

Garrett Wilson's back.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:05

Garrett Wilson's back. Brees Hall's a bag. Brees Hall's the best running back in football. Garrett Wilson's the best wide receiver in football.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:13

If there couldn't have been.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:15

Tavondre Sweat turns out to get down to 350. Now he's a Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:20

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:22

I mean, brother, it's.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:24

If it if it if this was to happen. The script writers give them a There's two things.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:31

One, you become suspect that you're a part of the ploy. Okay? They might try to eliminate me. You you become you become suspect because now I'm thinking that you're in Kahoosh. Bro, they're gonna have the CIA after me. Now I'm starting to think this is gonna make it. You walked into the office, you said, Hey, I have an idea. Just hear me out. This is gonna be crazy. And they listened, and they said, you know what? That son of a bitch is right. They said this guy's a genius. They're like, this is gonna get us more views ever. This is gonna be the most worth.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:17

They said we're gonna bankroll so much money.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:20

They're like, look, hear me out. What if we do Jets Panthers? Ooh. Jets Panther Super Bowl. The ghost of Sam Darnold's past. Oh my goodness. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:37

Oh, it's gonna be the ghost of Sam Darnold. You could not have to. He won the Super Bowl. And then the ghost of Sam Darnold's past re-emerge. Oh my god. And then the Jets are gonna be like one of the better franchises. They're gonna turn into the Patriots or the Chiefs.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:58

What if all this, what if all this is to make me look like a fool for talking shit about the Jets for like the first 10 of the 11 episodes?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

It's karma, dog. They said that the script writers heard you. They said we're gonna show him. You wanna know the biggest thing? They said you want to see somebody. These people told us we're gonna be wrong. We're gonna make sure of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:18

You wanna know the funniest thing about day one of free agency? Is Brees Hall tweeted, he's like, Man, we sure do have a lot of bag to be handed out.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:28

I saw that. I saw that.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:30

I wonder what Brees Hall had to tweet today.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:35

I'm back! I'm all in.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:38

I wonder if Brees Hall was Hey, bro, he's probably so happy he got the franchise tag, he's like, oh bro, he's about to give me a bag.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:46

What if Brees Hall is like, you know what? I'm gonna take less money now.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:50

Nah, uh-uh. You brought in you brought in. Geno Smith is about to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:56

Oh man, he's yeah, he's getting paid. 36 years.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:00

Breeze Hall's getting paid. Hey, you know what's funny? The Jets are so desperate, bruh. The Raiders say, we're gonna cut him and pay him some money. And the Jets said, hold on, hold on, hold on. What if we trade for him? And we'll take on the bread so that way we don't have to compete with the Cardinals for a quarterback.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:27

You know what? This is like the fact that you're not gonna try to go and talk Kyler Murray into coming to the Jets, and you're just like, you know what, we'll just trade for Gino. We could have signed him and not given up anything. But we'll just trade for him. We'll just trade for Gino. We know he's the guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:49

I think they traded, was it Gino? I think it was like Gino and a seventh for a sixth.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:57

They won. They won the trade.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:59

Yeah, but I mean the Raiders. The Raiders just traded a third for him. And then traded them for a sixth round pick.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:08

Yeah, but you don't have to pay the bag anymore, brother. You won. That is a win. You absolutely won.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:14

Uh shout out. Shout out. There's three people we love in this show. Geno Smith, Kirk Cousins. He wanted to make a way. Derek Carr. He's got one less option, but we're still gonna find the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:33

Oh man. Oh, I mean, look, if the Steelers are talking about bringing in Kirk Cousins, I don't know why Derek Carr wouldn't be in the conversation.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:40

To go to the Cardinals. Oh, God. I was saying to the Steelers, but yeah, I guess the Cardinals. No, no, actually, matter of fact, I'm glad you brought that up. We're not done yet. All right. They basically the Cardinals basically came out and said that Jacoby Brissett's the starter for the season. They want the whole. So I when they signed Gardner Minshew, I was like, oh, that's weird. I guess they're getting rid of Jacoby Brissett. Turns out they were just signing a guy that tore his ACL to be the backup for Jacoby Brissett.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:11

They said we really want Arch Manning.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

Yeah, the the Manning De Harrison combination part two.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:19

Oh bruh. I can't trade Marv now.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:22

I look for fantasy implications. If you have Trey McBride or Michael Wilson, yeah, you're you're you're an extremely happy character. I'm cooked. You never know. They they went out, they also went out and signed Tyler Algier and then restructured James Connor's contract, and they have Trey Benson.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:43

Nothing they've done makes any sense. You drafted Trey Benson in the second round to be like, yeah, we don't believe in you.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:51

Oh, we gotta make sure my boys got weapons down there, dog.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:55

Yeah. The restructured.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:58

One of the hires that I liked.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:01

Who? Mr. LaFleur.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:03

He got you some options. Hey, we said, look, look, bro, one of these guys you're gonna like.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:07

Bidwell, the owner Bidwell had to come to him and be like, look, this is gonna be like a bridge era.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:12

You know, I did have one thing that pissed me off that we forgot about. Very under the rater, under radar signing. We wouldn't talk about this unless it had fantasy implications. I am real pissed off when I woke up today and I said I saw Kenneth Gainwell signs with the Bucks.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:29

Yeah, dude, that's weird, isn't it? They're saying Rashad White's gonna go to the Cars.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:35

I was trying to trade him, bro. I was trying to trade. I was trying to trade Gainwell.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:41

I mean, look, here's something you can always say. Kenneth Gainwell, there's two things you can always say about the man. One, the coaches, for whatever reason, fucking love the dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:54

Not enough to keep him.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:56

They love the dude, and two, he always finds his way on the field.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:00

Always. Wherever he's been, he has found his way on the field.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:05

I just, man, it just crushes my death. You know, I had a guy, I was thinking that might have been a starter.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:09

Right. You would have liked to see him go somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:12

I'd have liked to have seen him stay in Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:13

But I mean, you don't, we don't really know what happened with Bucky Irvin last year. He was not the same guy. Injury definitely had something to do with that. I mean, you never know. You never know. The Rashad White, they're saying Rashad White's gonna go to the Seahawks.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:26

Man, that'd be a big move.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:28

Not really. The guy averages like two.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:30

He was nice before the emergence of Bucky Irvin.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:33

He averaged like two yards of carry. He's not great. He was pissed off. Does Romeo Dobbs to the Pats do anything for you?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:40

I like Romeo Dobbs. I mean, you know, he can I mean they still need a the guy. He's a guy. I like him as a player. He's cool. You know, I'll take an 800-yard receiver.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:53

Okay. Alright. Look, I got one last thing. And I told the people that we were gonna do this, and I'm not I'm not gonna let the people down. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:02

It's time for Crash Out of the Year.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:05

Yes, sir. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:07

Who did it?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:07

Terrion Arnold. Alright. And that's his name. So he's within the research department. Dude, I did a deep dive into this. And it's it's it's not as crashy outy of a deal as we necessarily thought. So he's no longer a candidate. I'm gonna let you make the decision.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:29

I'm gonna let you make the decision where whether we allow this to be in crash out of the year or not. Alright. February 2026, Terrian Arnold was staying in an Airbnb in Tampa, Florida, where he was reportedly robbed twice. Damn, according to reports. Right. The thieves allegedly took things of a hundred thousand dollars in cash. Shit. That's a lot of cash to be having on hand. Expensive jewelry, including an eighty thousand dollar chain. Okay, guns and other personal items. Terrion Arnold then filed a police report saying he was the victim. Right. The alleged revenge plot is what we're gonna get to. This is where the crash out would come in.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:22

Alright. After the robbery, investigators say a group of people connected to Terrion Arnold. Like he has some like he has some goons.

unknown 1:27:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:35

Like my boy has some goons from the hood. Some red flags are starting to pop up in Mr. Arnold. He said connected to Terrion Arnold allegedly tried to track down the suspected thieves themselves. A court document claims Terrion Arnold and some associates identified people they believed robbed him. A man named Mahaki Hilton allegedly. Organized a plan to kidnap and rob these suspects in retaliation. The plan reportedly involved assaulting several people, holding them against their will, and stealing from them. Right. Several people were arrested in this the arrested arrested in connection with the incident. He was not. Terry on Arnold. He his name showed up in a Florida court order related to the suspect's detention. Investigators claim that the alleged retaliation was tied to an earlier robbery at the Airbnb. He has not been arrested. He has not been charged with the crime. And his attorney has come out and said that he has no involvement whatsoever. Current status. Here's the current status of everything going on right now. The criminal case is not against Arnold. His name is appearing in the court filings, and that's what's created the headlines. Authorities haven't announced any charges against him. However, the situation's still under scrutiny.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:05

I'm gonna say that uh he's got some he's cutting a pretty nice check for lawyer fees and whatnot.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:11

Look, here's my takeaway.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:15

He absolutely, he absolutely called some people and were like, hey, I want my chain back.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:23

Right. Am I right? Am I 100%?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:28

He or he he absolutely orchestrated every last bit of this. You think so? But who the fuck, man?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:34

You stole my homies' chain, now we finna I'm gonna get five of my homies and we're just gonna rob you for robbing him. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:42

Nah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:43

Come on now. He's definitely a bird. We're smarter than that. Alright, so now my question is should this be in Crash Out of the Year? Like, should this be a candidate of the Crash Out of the Year?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:56

I'm gonna say no because he didn't do it himself. Okay, fair enough. He's he's real, he's real gunner for for sending the hitch.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:06

I look. My man made a phone call. When you in the NFL, you gotta have the fall guys and people to take care of the dirty work for you. He has however the guns aspect of it makes it a little questionable.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:19

First up, why do you got a hundred K and 80,000 on chance and guns?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:24

And a hotel and an Airbnb. What are we doing? Is Tampa that dangerous? Shh, I mean, it shouldn't be when you're an NFL player.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:35

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:36

You know, what kind of weaponry are we talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:38

You know, yeah, that's a fair point.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:40

I know I'm sure it wasn't just the nine. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:43

They weren't just chilling with the man had the Draco sitting in the house.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:47

Man, we're the we're their actual bodyguard. You just talking about the homies. Are these people on payroll for security purposes? Probably not. It just I don't know. I just look at it and just my knowledge of how things go.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:00

It seems like he maybe.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:02

You're not just sitting around with a hundred bands and the and the strap and the Airbnb.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:08

You get robbed twice, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:10

How do you even first off yeah? You let these people spin the block. Right. They did it and came back. We hey, we left some shit. I don't need that part doesn't even make sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:23

Yes, the damn, they got you twice, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:26

But then you had the wherewithal to find out who these people were before the police. It's almost like you knew who they were to begin with.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:35

I mean, look, I don't even know if it justifiably would be a crash out. Somebody robbed me, I'd probably want to do the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:41

I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:42

Like if I I mean if I had if I had, you know, if I was planning on going to the police about it, I wouldn't. Right. But, you know, the options would have been, hey, the police are gonna handle this or we're gonna handle this.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:54

There ain't gonna be no, we're gonna get the police involved, and then we're gonna create a plot to go catch some serious charges.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:03

We're gonna take all the necessary steps here to make this look legit.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:06

See, and the justice system should have a little bit more understanding to it, you know, because here's the thing legally, they're absolutely wrong for doing that.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:16

But, you know, would you look if if I got robbed, I'm not gonna be if I got robbed for 100k some guns and an $80,000 chain, I'm gonna be mad. If they robbed me in my current state, I'm gonna just be bummed out that I got robbed. Because they're gonna get like $27 and a pack of LMs.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:43

As long as they don't get the fan dual login, I'm straight. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:47

You know what I'm saying? Like as long as they don't like take my phone and steal all of my still all of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:53

I think the craziest thing about me, bro, is that people got robbed twice. Like they robbed them.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:59

And then came back and said, shit, it's a mo over here. We forgot.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:03

They really did. It really does sound from the court documents like they spun the block.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:10

And after you robbed me twice, there definitely wouldn't have been no police involved, bro. He you give me once, all right. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:17

You spend you come back a second time in the same day.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:21

But yeah, I gotta have you, bro. The craziest thing was I had initially read that it like they like kidnapped the dudes and then pistol whipped them, and none of that was in the court documents.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:34

I would have been like that. That would have been a case where I would have been all right, you know, freedom.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:39

It was, it was, it was I I got to reading and got a little bit disappointed by it. I was like, I can't not bring it back up though. I told everybody I would. Very that is very disappointing. I was really hoping for some real crash.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:51

Like I was hoping like bruh pulled up, called the feds, and then like his people called the feds and reported, and then he was like, nah, fuck that. I'm going to get that shit back, and then and then did all that. So we get it back in blood. Man, yeah. Once he called the police, he should have just let them handle it. Yeah, 100%. And that's why it don't make sense that like his people, like they they called the law, like his homie should have been like, oh, well, he done went to them about it. He done went to the people about it. We'll let them handle it at that point.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:17

They called the police twice. He called the real police and they called. The street police. The street police.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:24

Hey, what if they were gonna pull up on bro with like the tax suit?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:27

Turns out the street police work faster. Intel, man. Intel. Intel. Well, brother, that's it. That's all I got.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:35

What a free agency's going crazy. I'm sure we'll be back here with some more shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:41

Some things are gonna be the news is gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:44

I mean it comes a little bit faster than it comes across the table a little bit faster than than we're able to immediately report it.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:52

Yeah, that's fine. It's off season.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:55

We have we have jobs.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:58

Yeah, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:59

We're just regular people sitting around a couple times a week in lab coats.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:04

I wish I I wish I could be like Adam Schefter.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:07

Man, one day. Look, that dude's got the gigs. We've had multiple very early predictions, conspiracies that have turned out to be true. Yeah, facts. I mean, we look, people may start having allegations that we are actually tied in at some point. Dude, you have now raised awareness to this.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:31

Yeah, it's fair. Like, what if people start calling us shills for the CIA? I'm gonna get real upset about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:36

Oh man, what if they're gonna they're gonna call us plants? They're gonna say that we're like created by a a brand, like an existing label. I'm like, bro, I'm a tow truck driver. A man, dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:47

I was like, I'm a tow truck driver, just listen to a lot of podcasts. Don't do this to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:52

I sell phones, dog. We really are just two regular people. I swear to God. People, people, I promise.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:02

We're just regular.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:03

Man. That's episode 11, man. Man, tell the people to go like and subscribe.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:09

As always, you know, we appreciate it. We did go very long today. It's gonna be a long one. We appreciate y'all sticking with it if you made it this far. Tell a friend. If you have a suggestion, once I'm once again asking for help. Like the Bernie Sanders meme.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:26

Yeah, you and if you want to get it, like you better get it in now because come football season, there will be no we're gonna be dialed in.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:32

And not only, not only get it in now, because at some point we're going to be like big in this space. Yeah. And you're gonna try to talk to us then. And we're gonna tell you fucking. And we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna be like, nah, bruh. Don't hit me saying, man, I was listening back when Justin was singing jelly roll lyrics.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:51

Like, I can't tell you.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:52

And I'm gonna be like, you didn't say anything about it then.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:56

Don't say nothing about it now.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:58

We've got big things moving. Those will be revealed to y'all at a later date. Things are gonna be major. Really, I'm really gonna bring something in the fold that's really gonna make this blow up. Not because we're entertaining, but because we're getting rich. That's right, guys. We're getting rich. Off to the bag. And this is episode 11. We'll see you guys on the next one. Deuces.